Shooting in las vegas

[Sgt Nambu]

Wow, 50+ killed, 200+ wounded! I'm sorry. I shouldn't have started. Words fail me, God bless the innocent victims.

 

[Sgt Nambu]

God, FOX HD reports at least 400 transported to hospitals! I hope they are very wrong.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Ladies and gentleman of the forum...
I encourage you all to stay safe when out and about.
Think about where you are going and always keep an eye on the most covered , concealed and shortest route to an exit...wherever you go or are at.
If you are able to help those in the immediate area to safety or first aid , do so ... but remember to watch out for yourself and family as well.
( I dislike being selfish here ... but I want to come home and sad to say at times , strangers may come in second place to this desire to get home. )

I do not pretend to know or understand just what drives people to such evil and horrifying actions.
I also worry about us as a nation being able to heal and come together after such tragic events.
That said...
Reading of individuals who shielded others , provided first aid or helped others to escape is heartening to hear.
Andy

 

[nehalemguy]

Does sound full auto - but I wonder if it may have been bump-fire - for as difficult as it is to get your hands on fully auto weapons, I have to wonder if it wasn't something like that. I imagine if it was, there is going to be an immediate full court press to get them banned. Sick bastard. Rot you psychopath.

I was also wondering if the shooter may have used a binary trigger. I hadn't thought about a slide fire stock. Here is a link where you can hear the gunfire. A lot to be seen in this video.

Las Vegas shooting: Rapid-fire shots, then 'Stay down!' - CNN Video

 

[RVTECH]

Already talk in the news about the potential of increased security for high rise hotels.

 

[rdb241]

50 dead and 400 wounded? A 60 some year nut job from Vegas, shot up an outdoor country music festival from a window in a nearby hotel. Listening to the news clips and the sound. There was no doubt that it was automatic fire. WTH is wrong with people? But of course it will be the gun's fault and not the wack job behind them. He opened up on a crowd getting ready to watch a concert. Get ready for the gun grabbers to use this as an excuse to go after your personal collection.

 

[tac]

He also had another ten guns in the room with him. His female associate has been located and arrested. He, on the other hand, is beyond justice, having had the almighty shirt shot out of him by the police.

What can possibly have prompted this appalling mass-slaughter of innocent people?

As for the firearms being FA's, he may have been either bump-firing or using one of the nifty hand-crankers that you can get for a semi-auto to make it fire 'faster'.

tac

PS - he was 64.

 

[RVTECH]

The sustained fire I listened to on the first video was at least a 100 rounds and sounded even and consistent such as with a typical full auto action.

 

[Goosebrown]

The sustained fire I listened to on the first video was at least a 100 rounds and sounded even and consistent such as with a typical full auto action.

Well it was either multiple guns as in drop one and pick up the next or it had to be less than 100 rounds at a go or he would have had to reload.

I find it really hard to estimate the number of shots at full auto myself. Seems like dozens and dozens bu they have a 30 round msgazine.

In any event it sounded like automatic fire to me.

Horrible.

I can't imagine wanting to hurt people that badly.

 

[11Charlie]

There is nothing anyone can do to prepare for something this awful. The only thing you can do, is to avoid situations like this.

My heart goes out to the families in this tragic, tragic, tragic event.

 

[tac]

You can buy 50 round magazines for many long-arms, including the ubiquitous Ruger 10/22 - add the trigger cranker device to that and you have thing that CAN sound like a full-auto.

And didn't the Calico .22 carbine come with a 100 round magazine as standard?

Note that the perp had another ten guns in the room, along with the one he was using at the time.

tac, greatly sorrowed.

 

[The Heretic]

So much for SHARE/HPA.

Yes - sounds like full-auto.

50+ killed in Las Vegas Strip massacre; suspect had 10 rifles, police say - CNN

There is a short video lower in the article on the left side that has the gunshots about 30 seconds in.

 

[The Heretic]

He also had another ten guns in the room with him. His female associate has been located and arrested. He, on the other hand, is beyond justice, having had the almighty shirt shot out of him by the police.

What can possibly have prompted this appalling mass-slaughter of innocent people?

As for the firearms being FA's, he may have been either bump-firing or using one of the nifty hand-crankers that you can get for a semi-auto to make it fire 'faster'.

tac

PS - he was 64.

The woman was released - she had nothing to do with it.

 

[tac]

'kay.

tac

 

[rdb241]

news here is saying he was 63. His 'girlfriend" is out of the country and they are trying to track her down. Yes it could have been bump fire, but when you bump fire there is a pause when you change mags. The sound I heard there was no stopping after 30 rounds. I am curious as to what type of weapons he had. The news also said that he died of a self inflicted gun shot.

 

[RVTECH]

And didn't the Calico .22 carbine come with a 100 round magazine as standard?

Yep and there are 100 round double drum mags available for others as well

 

[Goosebrown]

You can buy 50 round magazines for many long-arms, including the ubiquitous Ruger 10/22 - add the trigger cranker device to that and you have thing that CAN sound like a full-auto.

And didn't the Calico .22 carbine come with a 100 round magazine as standard?

Note that the perp had another ten guns in the room, along with the one he was using at the time.

tac, greatly sorrowed.

Of course. I discounted those magazines since in my experience they jam more than they don't. Till there is info it was just my speculation and a comment that I find it hard to figure out how many shots are fired.

In the end there are 50 families that lost people and that is a sickening tragedy. I think about losing one son or brother and it knocks me flat. I am very much not a warrior.

 

[rdb241]

Also, the fact that he was several floors up did not help either. It is like the guy in the college tower back in the 60's. They are also saying that the crowd was fenced in and had to crash the fence to get away. Now they are saying he was on the 32nd floor of the hotel across the street.

 

[tac]

This one holds 1110 rounds of .22LR........

 

[The Heretic]

Bump fire typically has a more irregular and slower rate of fire than actual full auto. This sounded more like full auto.