Serious question to Obama voters about the second amendment

[Suge206]

as you you shift the conversation over to 'your mesiah' you automatically lose. You're getting 'he's not the devil' let's have a reasonable discussion then you leap frog over to 'messiah' and the whole thing falls apart

 

[DMax]

Wow what did he say?

Ya 308 has it right

Rev 2

The Messiah-Complex Complex | New Republic

 

[Jamie6.5]

12. I AM on the leftist end of the spectrum. I've repeatedly told people that, I am a Marxist after all. The problem is, you've created stereotypes here. You lumped together everyone from center to extreme left and made an inaccurate composite. The fact is that Barack Obama is a centrist leader by any real standard. Only by delusional ones is he not.

This is really all that matters.
Your worldview, and how you believe people should be ruled.
And you have expressed it well.

And until you made the statement that BHO is a centrist because there are more extreme leftists in the world, you had an argument.
That's moving the goalposts, and bears NO REALITY to where a leader is on the political spectrum with regards to where we came from, the republic we are supposed to be, and our founding principles.
The fact that Lenin and Stalin were leftists of the nighest order didn't make FDR a "centrist." He was more left leaning than any American president before him, and more so than most since.
And like Lenin, Stalin and Barack Obama, had a very authoritarian streak as well.
But he was thwarted by our system. Our constitution.

Barack Obama, first and foremost is corrupt, due to being beholding to the money that put him in office. He has violated the law of the land, due process, and the constitutional basis on which our leaders are supposed to conduct our governance.
Much like you, he keeps moving the goalposts.
And he's moving them to the left for most of us. You and marxists like you point to his appeasement of his financial backers as some kind of indication that he's got some kind of right-leaning element to his politics.
But that's not what it is. That's just an indication of the depth of his corruption.

He gave similar breaks, advantages and cash to his union backers also. Does the fact that unions are and have been the basis for the communist party at all factor into your assessment?

I believe it most certainly does, which is why you are here, in a gun forum, defending him, and providing as much misdirection and obfuscation as possible in your efforts to conceal his true nature.

His track record politically and philosophically is one of marxism/communism, and anyone who has read his writings and followed his career will attest to that, starting with his efforts as a "community organizer."
We are talking about the United States here, and in particular, with regard to gun rights, and BHO's failure to comply with the wishes of those liberals who own guns and believe in the 2nd Amendment.
Not progressives, not statists, and not marxist/communists.
Liberal Democrat Americans that believe in our system of government, the Bill of Rights, and the 2nd Amendment.

His disdain for the rights of gun owners, stems from his disregard for the constitution and the Bill of Rights, and his shift from honest political debate within the halls of government, to a "community organizer" approach that emulates small minority "rights" movements the world over. Like other supposedly "grassroots" movements, that circumvent existing law, supposedly for the "benefit of society" or "the common good."
This proves once more that he's not interested in dealing with the structure of our government to achieve his goals. Despite the fact that there are mechanisms and processes built into our system that would allow him to do that, if he had the support of the majority.
He wants to revert to relying on a very vocal minority to achieve his goal(s).

As a self professed marxist, I am sure you approve of that methodology, as I am certain you regard the work of our founders in the same way that Obama does.
With disdain and/or derision.

But "moving the goalposts" and changing definitions based on one's personal politics or worldview doesn't make for an honest assessment of any leader's politics, when the structure of that country is based on a guiding framework like our constitution and Bill of Rights.

It will be interesting to see if you still support him in these efforts if he gets a chance to reveal the extent of his authoritarian nature.
And your reaction to those that may attempt to thwart his efforts to do so.

Will you become a "bitter clinger?"
Or will you pound your hooves like a good little sheeple, advocating for "the greater good?"

 

[Martini_Up]

for some people, four walls are three too many.

 

[U201491]

This is really all that matters.
Your worldview, and how you believe people should be ruled.
And you have expressed it well.

And until you made the statement that BHO is a centrist because there are more extreme leftists in the world, you had an argument.
That's moving the goalposts, and bears NO REALITY to where a leader is on the political spectrum with regards to where we came from, the republic we are supposed to be, and our founding principles.
The fact that Lenin and Stalin were leftists of the nighest order didn't make FDR a "centrist." He was more left leaning than any American president before him, and more so than most since.
And like Lenin, Stalin and Barack Obama, had a very authoritarian streak as well.
But he was thwarted by our system. Our constitution.

Barack Obama, first and foremost is corrupt, due to being beholding to the money that put him in office. He has violated the law of the land, due process, and the constitutional basis on which our leaders are supposed to conduct our governance.
Much like you, he keeps moving the goalposts.
And he's moving them to the left for most of us. You and marxists like you point to his appeasement of his financial backers as some kind of indication that he's got some kind of right-leaning element to his politics.
But that's not what it is. That's just an indication of the depth of his corruption.

He gave similar breaks, advantages and cash to his union backers also. Does the fact that unions are and have been the basis for the communist party at all factor into your assessment?

I believe it most certainly does, which is why you are here, in a gun forum, defending him, and providing as much misdirection and obfuscation as possible in your efforts to conceal his true nature.

His track record politically and philosophically is one of marxism/communism, and anyone who has read his writings and followed his career will attest to that, starting with his efforts as a "community organizer."
We are talking about the United States here, and in particular, with regard to gun rights, and BHO's failure to comply with the wishes of those liberals who own guns and believe in the 2nd Amendment.
Not progressives, not statists, and not marxist/communists.
Liberal Democrat Americans that believe in our system of government, the Bill of Rights, and the 2nd Amendment.

His disdain for the rights of gun owners, stems from his disregard for the constitution and the Bill of Rights, and his shift from honest political debate within the halls of government, to a "community organizer" approach that emulates small minority "rights" movements the world over. Like other supposedly "grassroots" movements, that circumvent existing law, supposedly for the "benefit of society" or "the common good."
This proves once more that he's not interested in dealing with the structure of our government to achieve his goals. Despite the fact that there are mechanisms and processes built into our system that would allow him to do that, if he had the support of the majority.
He wants to revert to relying on a very vocal minority to achieve his goal(s).

As a self professed marxist, I am sure you approve of that methodology, as I am certain you regard the work of our founders in the same way that Obama does.
With disdain and/or derision.

But "moving the goalposts" and changing definitions based on one's personal politics or worldview doesn't make for an honest assessment of any leader's politics, when the structure of that country is based on a guiding framework like our constitution and Bill of Rights.

It will be interesting to see if you still support him in these efforts if he gets a chance to reveal the extent of his authoritarian nature.
And your reaction to those that may attempt to thwart his efforts to do so.

Will you become a "bitter clinger?"
Or will you pound your hooves like a good little sheeple, advocating for "the greater good?"

You stated it well. And when push comes to shove, most of us will fight against leftists, marxists, communists and anyone that does not uphold the US Constitution and any that subvert it in any way.
That is what the cold war was all about, and it is NOT over.
America IS a free republic and it will be returned to that at all costs.
There will not be tolerance for marxist or communist subversives ! Take that to the bank !

 

[luke23]

This is really all that matters.
Your worldview, and how you believe people should be ruled.
And you have expressed it well.

And until you made the statement that BHO is a centrist because there are more extreme leftists in the world, you had an argument.
That's moving the goalposts, and bears NO REALITY to where a leader is on the political spectrum with regards to where we came from, the republic we are supposed to be, and our founding principles.
The fact that Lenin and Stalin were leftists of the nighest order didn't make FDR a "centrist." He was more left leaning than any American president before him, and more so than most since.
And like Lenin, Stalin and Barack Obama, had a very authoritarian streak as well.
But he was thwarted by our system. Our constitution.

Barack Obama, first and foremost is corrupt, due to being beholding to the money that put him in office. He has violated the law of the land, due process, and the constitutional basis on which our leaders are supposed to conduct our governance.
Much like you, he keeps moving the goalposts.
And he's moving them to the left for most of us. You and marxists like you point to his appeasement of his financial backers as some kind of indication that he's got some kind of right-leaning element to his politics.
But that's not what it is. That's just an indication of the depth of his corruption.

He gave similar breaks, advantages and cash to his union backers also. Does the fact that unions are and have been the basis for the communist party at all factor into your assessment?

I believe it most certainly does, which is why you are here, in a gun forum, defending him, and providing as much misdirection and obfuscation as possible in your efforts to conceal his true nature.

His track record politically and philosophically is one of marxism/communism, and anyone who has read his writings and followed his career will attest to that, starting with his efforts as a "community organizer."
We are talking about the United States here, and in particular, with regard to gun rights, and BHO's failure to comply with the wishes of those liberals who own guns and believe in the 2nd Amendment.
Not progressives, not statists, and not marxist/communists.
Liberal Democrat Americans that believe in our system of government, the Bill of Rights, and the 2nd Amendment.

His disdain for the rights of gun owners, stems from his disregard for the constitution and the Bill of Rights, and his shift from honest political debate within the halls of government, to a "community organizer" approach that emulates small minority "rights" movements the world over. Like other supposedly "grassroots" movements, that circumvent existing law, supposedly for the "benefit of society" or "the common good."
This proves once more that he's not interested in dealing with the structure of our government to achieve his goals. Despite the fact that there are mechanisms and processes built into our system that would allow him to do that, if he had the support of the majority.
He wants to revert to relying on a very vocal minority to achieve his goal(s).

As a self professed marxist, I am sure you approve of that methodology, as I am certain you regard the work of our founders in the same way that Obama does.
With disdain and/or derision.

But "moving the goalposts" and changing definitions based on one's personal politics or worldview doesn't make for an honest assessment of any leader's politics, when the structure of that country is based on a guiding framework like our constitution and Bill of Rights.

It will be interesting to see if you still support him in these efforts if he gets a chance to reveal the extent of his authoritarian nature.
And your reaction to those that may attempt to thwart his efforts to do so.

Will you become a "bitter clinger?"
Or will you pound your hooves like a good little sheeple, advocating for "the greater good?"

All right, I can see I have to focus in on specific terms because you're still ridiculous.

'Moving the goalposts.' I'm looking at the football field. You're looking at getting a first down in ten yards. Your own view is incredibly small and narrow.

Here's a visual aid.



You're looking at the top right square only. You see Obama at the left middle of it, so you assume he is a leftist. The fact is, he is not. He is still on the right side of the square.

Now am I defending him or obfuscating? Make up your mind on that. If I was defending him I'd whip up some revolutionary credentials that would make you salivate with hatred. I'm telling you the truth, that he's a bourgeois capitalist leader trying to preserve an unequal system. If we support him at all it's because we'd rather be screwed in a different manner.

Convention Discussion: On criticizing Obama » cpusa Read up.

His track record is entirely being a capitalist tool preserving the system. Really this seems to come down to the fact you want to stuff Obama onto us, and we don't want him any more than you do. That should tell you something. Don't you think if he actually was a Marxist we'd proudly declare it and capitalize on the chance to go mainstream politically?

As to how I view the founders, I think they did a good job for the time, but were unable to envision the partisanship and heavy industry of today. I still think their general guidelines on civil rights should be preserved as much as possible.

Another protip, if you say 'sheeple' you instantly sound like a complete and utter dick. No other phrase better capitalizes on the 'I wear a tinfoil hat' demographic. But if we want to discuss blindness, let's take a look at the fact you probably work some kind of job with actual labor and receive little for it while a CEO or banker makes millions for simply manipulating money. And they managed to convince you to vote against your own interest. Don't tell me how you have the right to become a successful businessman until you actually own your own corporation because of some revolutionary idea.

The men with real ideas are like Nikola Tesla, who die poor while the men who steal their inventions get rich. That's capitalism.

Now go back and reread what I told you in the last post, because you clearly do not understand Marxism.

 

[luke23]

You stated it well. And when push comes to shove, most of us will fight against leftists, marxists, communists and anyone that does not uphold the US Constitution and any that subvert it in any way.
That is what the cold war was all about, and it is NOT over.
America IS a free republic and it will be returned to that at all costs.
There will not be tolerance for marxist or communist subversives ! Take that to the bank !

That sounds a great deal like a fellow named Adolf Hitler who promised the same. I hope you appreciate the irony.

Also, you are the reason I own guns. You preach hate against me, and in the absence of the protection of law, you and your ilk would love to murder me and my family. That is precisely why I need 'assault weapons,' so I can defend myself from your hatred.

 

[xymotic]

Compare BHO with Bernie Sanders, or Alan Grayson. They are the most radical leftists we have and personally I'd call them centrists in the big picture view! The entire country has shifted right. the only reason BHO seems left leaning is because there aren't any legitimate voices on the left.

Reagan and nixon would be called communists if they ran today. Goldwater? Fuggedaboutit!


France has workers on strike every week. Sweden is seriously talking about limiting CEO salaries to 12x workers, Nicaragua is nationalizing electronics stores so 'the people' can have cheap TV's.

 

[Stomper]

Again, more humor from the fringe. In what universe does longevity qualify as a positive indicator of good performance or ability to do the right thing? I've worked with many highly educated idiots in my life and many more who have been there for a good deal of time who majored in cluelessness, and on the other hand I have seen brilliant young people come in with common sense and intelligence run circles around those who have been there longer.

And thanks for pulling the only thing out of my prior that might give you traction...the race card. I'm black as can be, so that means I cannot ever be considered racist...just ask your messiah barak ob0ng0.

Wait... What? 308 is BLACK?!!!!. OMG, say it isn't SO!!!

Do you have ANY IDEA of what you just did to the "leftist paradigm"?!

 

[U201491]

That sounds a great deal like a fellow named Adolf Hitler who promised the same. I hope you appreciate the irony.

Also, you are the reason I own guns. You preach hate against me, and in the absence of the protection of law, you and your ilk would love to murder me and my family. That is precisely why I need 'assault weapons,' so I can defend myself from your hatred.

You are really a prime example of mentally disturbed irony.
Why do you use our air ?
So you are a subversive to America.
You basically stated exactly that.
What a waste of human genes.
I am the enemy of anyone that would subvert and damage my country. I took my oath very serious ! It still stands.

 

[Suge206]

"His disdain for the rights of gun owners, stems from his disregard for the constitution and the Bill of Rights"

Lol you keep saying it and it keeps not being supported by reality.

 

[xymotic]

You are really a prime example of mentally disturbed irony.
Why do you use our air ?
So you are a subversive to America.
You basically stated exactly that.
What a waste of human genes.
I am the enemy of anyone that would subvert and damage my country. I took my oath very serious ! It still stands.

More McCarthy than Hitler with that last one.

And Taku, it's comments like that which are subversive to the American dream and damaging this country.

 

[Jamie6.5]

His track record is entirely being a capitalist tool preserving the system. Really this seems to come down to the fact you want to stuff Obama onto us, and we don't want him any more than you do. That should tell you something. Don't you think if he actually was a Marxist we'd proudly declare it and capitalize on the chance to go mainstream politically?

Certainly NOT! Marxists/communists have been skulking around this country and our halls of power for decades.
They NEVER show their faces in the light of day within the political arena.
Because they know damn good and well that their presence is the death knell for the ticket they are on.
Oh, there have been a few. Bernie Sanders for one. But he got elected because of his diatribes against corruption, and the fields he has run against. He also claims his brand of socialism is along the lines of Sweden's, to soft-peddle it.

No, NO ONE, even among democrats, is willing to claim BHO is as far left as we know him to be.
You may think you can come in here and claim that the cpusa hates him, but we all know they supported him twice for president.
Sure he's a stooge of the bankers. Don't kid yourself, that's one of the few sources of funding capable of putting a candidate in the White House.

Lord knows the cpusa doesn't have those kinds of funds, and hasn't since the fall of the soviets.
So go ahead a spew your political double speak.
You fool NO ONE.
Just like the few that tried to come in here with claims of obama's pragmatism.
Turns out, they didn't even know the definition of the term: Pragmatic.

You clearly have never read up on obama's voting record in the Illinois statehouse, or his time in the U.S. Senate.
Oh he's an orator of the highest order. But his upbringing, his roots in college and early politics, as well as the fact that he's never held a job that paid outside of public funds, shows he has no real connections within the "system," or the private industries that support said system.
Mention people from his past like Frank Marshall Davis and he clams up.

Another protip, if you say 'sheeple' you instantly sound like a complete and utter dick. No other phrase better capitalizes on the 'I wear a tinfoil hat' demographic.

Now go back and reread what I told you in the last post, because you clearly do not understand Marxism.

Ooooh, a marxist called me a dick that appeals to the tin-foil hat crowd.
Name calling and mockery in the same breath!

I dunno whether I should feel honored, or if I should be laughing my butt off.
Grow up.

I understand marxism/communism pretty well. Especially the part about what it takes to implement it, and keep it.
Mr Solzhenitsyn explained it to me. Along with how best to avoid it.
And about people like you, it appears he was right on the money.

 

[Suge206]

Yes, there are Marxists and commies "skulking" around. Keep up the good fight.

 

[Jamie6.5]

Yes, there are Marxists and commies "skulking" around. Keep up the good fight.

Oh look! There's one now!

 

[xymotic]

Again, more humor from the fringe. In what universe does longevity qualify as a positive indicator of good performance or ability to do the right thing? I've worked with many highly educated idiots in my life and many more who have been there for a good deal of time who majored in cluelessness, and on the other hand I have seen brilliant young people come in with common sense and intelligence run circles around those who have been there longer.

And thanks for pulling the only thing out of my prior that might give you traction...the race card. I'm black as can be, so that means I cannot ever be considered racist...just ask your messiah barak ob0ng0.

You are changing the subject, nobody said anything about positive indicators or doing the right thing.

But the actual statement was that Obama was inexperienced.

a) It's fundamentally untrue, he IS experienced. It's just a FACT.

b) the People running against him, namely Sarah Palin were VASTLY less experienced or qualified. Which undermines the initial argument that was just made.

c) Sarah Palin was so laughable as a candidate, that voters then questioned McCain's judgement.

If you want to get in to 'positive indicators' or ability to do the right thing, OK. now you are getting into OPINION. But your poster boy is evil incarnate Mitt Romney, the embodiment of everything that is wrong in this country. Taking millions in tax subsidies and leeching off the government teat while off shoring industry and thousands of jobs out of the country, personally enriching himself at the expense of the country's best interests.

And the argument that was just made was about 'experience' and now you have Romney Ryan going up agains Obama/Biden who, in FACT, have 4 years experience doing the job.

And finally, this has all been decided, again the FACT is that the American people made those judgements about experience and what they thought predictors would be. Obama was 'experienced enough' to beat the other candidates. So whining about it now seems pointless.


PS, When someone says "I can't be racist" it's a pretty sure bet that what follows will be some really racist crap. Way to live up to the Cliché. Hitler didn't seem too selective about the light skinned German Jews who had a lot more in common with him than they were different.

 

[Suge206]

Oh look! There's one now!

Lol I'm a rich Capitalist...

 

[Stomper]

Lol I'm a rich Capitalist...

A rich crony-capitalist, at best.

 

[Brutus57]

How can any one with a brain believe Marxism works? It hasn't worked anywhere in all its various iterations. The poor in the Marxist countries are as poor or more so than they were under their previous form of government. Give me 3 true Marxist countries with a high standard of living? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Brutus out

 

[luke23]

You are really a prime example of mentally disturbed irony.
Why do you use our air ?
So you are a subversive to America.
You basically stated exactly that.
What a waste of human genes.
I am the enemy of anyone that would subvert and damage my country. I took my oath very serious ! It still stands.

I stated that I hold the US Constitution to be a valid framework of civil rights and liberties. My policies are economic in nature.

You are a thug, a petty tyrant and the kind of weak-minded fool every fascist relies on for their dirty work. In the end you will fade away and the only legacy you will leave is the astonishment of our descendants at the utter fools their ancestors were.