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Yea, those'll do a black bear.Against black bear: 44 mag 240 grain soft point bullets? Such as Remington? Or, other off the shelf ammo? Thanks.
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Yea, those'll do a black bear.Against black bear: 44 mag 240 grain soft point bullets? Such as Remington? Or, other off the shelf ammo? Thanks.
Always bring a slower friend...problem solved.I am rethinking of switching to high capacity 9mm or 40 caliber semi-auto with 4-5 inch barrels. What do you think or have recommendations?
Google the history of fatal wolf attacks. Most fatal wolf attacks in recorded history where a firearm / knife were present stated the remains of the person(s) were found surrounded by the wolves that they had killed before being overcome by the remaining ones. Imagine shooting 5 wolves dead and still getting eaten because the remaining ones didn't stop coming.
Scary freaking stuff.
What you don't seem to realize is the 5.56 ball bullets immediately begin to tumble after hitting flesh creating huge wound channels. The heavier base of the bullet wants to turn and go forward like a weighted dart producing wound channels as large or larger than the length of the bullet many times becoming larger than a mushroomed hollow point. Ask and military medic type what the wounds look like from an M16 type weapon. I didn't used to believe it until I saw it in action.Bullet design is critical. The M193 ammo would have been full metal jacket and shaped like a needle. Right? That bullet design penetrates well but goes through flesh with little resistance, essentially making a minimal slit and doing little damage--unless it hits so hard it causes damage through hydrostatic shock. My understanding is this design works in war because it results in more injuries and fewer deaths, and that is best because each injured soldier ties up two or more other soldiers to evacuate and care for him or her.
Bear loads in handgun calibers are usually designed to go all the way through the animal, even if heavy bone is hit, while presenting a bullet that has as large a flat nose as possible to smash as much tissue and do as much damage as possible--and to do so in a context where bullet speeds are low enough that hydrostatic shock doesn't contribute much to permanent wound channels.
I agree that feral dog packs, such as you can get in war zones, are way scarier than wolves. They can have been eating human flesh and consider people as just food. Food that can easily be tricked by a fake display of friendliness. Much smaller feral packs sometimes cause problems for livestock here. I think if we had any human-attacking packs of feral dogs in USA, we would eliminate them pretty quickly in ordinary times. However, large feral dog packs certainly might be an issue in some SHTF scenarios.
Jsp are better than hollow points and may be designed for hunting bear. But they still aren't as good as a heavy round point flat nose hardcast bullets with a large meplat for bear self defense. The soft points generally don't penetrate all the way through as reliably and don't do as much damage.Against black bear: 44 mag 240 grain soft point bullets? Such as Remington? Or, other off the shelf ammo? Thanks.
The Glock is too ugly to go into the woods all alone with.I switched from a 4" .357 S&W Revolver (66 no dash) to a Glock 20 10mm while bowhunting where I do encounter bear and cougar or at least their recent sign, for three reasons.
I am more accurate with the Glock than I am the revolver.
I like higher load count in the in the semi versus the revolver.
The S&W revolver is just too pretty to keep taking in the woods.
Probably too brokeback to say "I'm going into the woods with Smith and Wesson!".The Glock is too ugly to go into the woods all alone with.
It is silly city people that get all worked up over it. In general, they are best advised to stay within a city park.......oh, then they encounter druggies and perverts........so, I guess they can't win.Remember, back in the old days, men would go forth with nothing but a flint or percussion lock arm.. and a Bowie knife.
This little perspective might calm a few down with their worries.
Better ballistics? The hottest 10mm loads seem to give you almost as much ft lbs as the hotter .357s. I'd bet the comparable bear loads are more effective in .357s since the semiauto loads must have smaller meplats and rounder edges to feed properly. But call them comparable in ballistics. Ive seen plenty of youtube videos comparing hot 10mm loads to mild .357 loads and concluding 10mm has better ballistics. Or comparing fmj 10mm with jhp .357 and saying 10mm penetrates better. I consider the 10mm comparable to the .357, definitely not better. And of course, the .44mag totally outclasses .357 or 10mm.Another recommendation here for the 10mm, specifically the Glock 20, or 29 if you want it to be readily concealable. Nearly half the weight of your .357 with over twice the capacity and better ballistics, so with the right load it's good for bears, too. Why are you still reading this instead of driving to the gun store???
The one time I ran into a cougar in the wild I was armed with a .45 ACP and I'm confident it would have done the job if that became necessary, but why not go prepared for any of the critters out there that are bigger/faster/have larger teeth than you?