Oregon SB 348 gutted and stuffed to rewrite Measure 114 3/34/23

[Buster1969]

Still bad enough. And who will be authorized to engrave 80% receivers? They have all but destroyed most gunsmiths and FFLs in this state between COVID and the lead up to 114.

Ignore their . Live your life as a free man.

 

[jackrv]

I doubt it. Probably adds some meaningless stipulation like "it should require a parent's knowledge/consent unless a doctor says it shouldn't."

That is what is being reported on by the "news" stations, channel 12? specifically.

 

[Flintlock Tom]

Cop: Where's the serial number?

Me: When I built it a serial number was not required...what? New law? Never heard of it.

 

[Rkangel]

Ignore their . Live your life as a free man.

Likely in another state as soon as feasible. It's more than just the gun control agenda that has turned Oregon into a rotting sewer. Crime, taxes, drugs, cost of living, pathetic state leadership, schools. Our city has broken ground on a new tiny home community (aka drug camp) less than a block between a school and public park. Reports of crime and drug paraphernalia have skyrocketed. Thanks to our inclusive drug policies, multiple meth labs have come to peaceful neighborhoods and subsequently caught fire or exploded in the last three months, blanketing neighbors in toxic fumes.

I am all for living as a free man, but we also need to consider that we are now behind enemy lines. For the good of our families, some of us have little choice but to get out.

 

[kmk1012]

So, if an upper on an AR is a separate receiver, can I permanently pin the front takedown pin in place? Like a peened rivet that cannot be removed. Would that count as only one receiver?

 

[CamoDeafie]

So, if an upper on an AR is a separate receiver, can I permanently pin the front takedown pin in place? Like a peened rivet that cannot be removed. Would that count as only one receiver?

I'm not sure... but.. why would you want to do that???

 

[kmk1012]

I'm not sure... but.. why would you want to do that???

Still be able to service the rifle and not have to engrave it. There's been so much info lately on this mess that it's hard to keep up.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Still be able to service the rifle and not have to engrave it. There's been so much info lately on this mess that it's hard to keep up.

I somehow don't think that they'll accept or even know what the h you talking about lol

 

[156256Hunter]

Saw a pizza joint the other day give free pizza to homeless guy. Their pizzas cost $34. Homeless guy walked away, opened box, set it on sidewalk and left. Crows ended up eating it.

Poor guy was probably so gacked out on drugs he thought the pizza started talking to him

 

[Ura-Ki]

So, if an upper on an AR is a separate receiver, can I permanently pin the front takedown pin in place? Like a peened rivet that cannot be removed. Would that count as only one receiver?

See, here's the thing, I doubt they could enforce any of that hogwash, if you think about it ( And don't let them catch wind of this thread) there are a whole bunch of fully semi auto rifles out there with 2 Piece receivers, and each has already been CLEARLY defined as to which part requires the Serial Numbers, think H&K, FN/FAL, AK variants, and all that, so to specifically call out the AR design is bullsh!t to say the least, it shows how narrowly focused these arseclowns are on Banning Americans Rifle, and THAT wont fly in court, but these arseholes don't care, one more thing to tie us up in court fighting their infringements! FJB

 

[Rkangel]

I somehow don't think that they'll accept or even know what the h you talking about lol

Thus the problem with morons, who know nothing about guns, creating and enforcing new gun laws. They are too stupid to learn any facts, but that won't stop them from enforcing their opinion, obscure it in vagaries, and felonize innocent people based on cosmetics.

 

[Librarian]

Thus the problem with morons, who know nothing about guns, creating and enforcing new gun laws. They are too stupid to learn any facts, but that won't stop them from enforcing their opinion, obscure it in vagaries, and felonize innocent people based on cosmetics.

I long ago learned that gun laws are not about guns, primarily.

They're about getting politicians elected and re-elected. They invent a Problem, and then get to say 'Look! I'm doing something about a Problem! Elect me!'

The legislators clearly do not know anything about drugs or homeless, yet they keep passing laws somehow supposed to affect those Problems. Those are graft industries, and laws perpetuating the Problems bring in campaign donations from the industrial players.

Screwing gun owners is just a side benefit for most of the politicians.

 

[CamoDeafie]

I long ago learned that gun laws are not about guns, primarily.

They're about getting politicians elected and re-elected. They invent a Problem, and then get to say 'Look! I'm doing something about a Problem! Elect me!'

The legislators clearly do not know anything about drugs or homeless, yet they keep passing laws somehow supposed to affect those Problems. Those are graft industries, and laws perpetuating the Problems bring in campaign donations from the industrial players.

Screwing gun owners is just a side benefit for most of the politicians.

Criminals ensure that judges, jailers, and lawmakers stay employed.

 

[nammac]

Poor guy was probably so gacked out on drugs he thought the pizza started talking to him

I hate that, when the pepperoni starts mouthing off…

 

[Ura-Ki]

I hate that, when the pepperoni starts mouthing off…

Or the Anchovies, nasty little buggers, always spouting off!

 

[nammac]

Or the Anchovies, nasty little buggers, always spouting off!

And don't get them together, all they do is bicker over the mozzarella!!!

 

[Char77]

See, here's the thing, I doubt they could enforce any of that hogwash, if you think about it ( And don't let them catch wind of this thread) there are a whole bunch of fully semi auto rifles out there with 2 Piece receivers, and each has already been CLEARLY defined as to which part requires the Serial Numbers, think H&K, FN/FAL, AK variants, and all that, so to specifically call out the AR design is bullsh!t to say the least, it shows how narrowly focused these arseclowns are on Banning Americans Rifle, and THAT wont fly in court, but these arseholes don't care, one more thing to tie us up in court fighting their infringements! FJB

It didn't specifically call out the AR upper as a receiver. What it did was use a copypasted definition without including the clarifications/exceptions the feds have. Either they didn't know what they were doing or knew exactly what they were doing, you be the judge. The "primary component designed to block or seal the breech" would seem to be the bolt and the upper of an AR can be interpreted as the piece that "provides housing or a structure" for the bolt so it would have become one of the parts de facto treated as a receiver by sellers/FFLs if the original text passed. However, the upper doesn't even touch the bolt, just the carrier. I still think one of the parts that the bolt locks into/fits in would have been more at risk. Even gas rings could fit this definition hilariously enough.

 

[nwslopoke]

Waiting for the explanation how anything listed will stop violence, crime, killings.

Engraving, waiting periods, fingerprinting, ect hasn't stopped diddly squat to date. Seems like the places were crime is down and people aren't shooting each other should be the examples to follow. None of those places have these ridiculous gun laws being proposed.

Also, looking for those commonsense compromises I keep hearing about from the Left and Fuddy Duds. The seem rare as hens teeth.

 

[Ura-Ki]

It didn't specifically call out the AR upper as a receiver. What it did was use a copypasted definition without including the clarifications/exceptions the feds have. Either they didn't know what they were doing or knew exactly what they were doing, you be the judge. The "primary component designed to block or seal the breech" would seem to be the bolt and the upper of an AR can be interpreted as the piece that "provides housing or a structure" for the bolt so it would have become one of the parts de facto treated as a receiver by sellers/FFLs if the original text passed. However, the upper doesn't even touch the bolt, just the carrier. I still think one of the parts that the bolt locks into/fits in would have been more at risk. Even gas rings could fit this definition hilariously enough.

And Cali already stuck it's Dick in that one when they tried going after "Illegally Manufactured" Ghost Guns, finding out that there IS a great BIG phuckin difference in WHICH part of the gun gets the SN, I don't remember the case, but they made it go away REAL QUIETLY so the Gavster wouldn't loose his sh!t over it, finding out his gun control agenda was shot full of holes big enough to drive a Klinton through!

 

[CamoDeafie]

And Cali already stuck it's Dick in that one when they tried going after "Illegally Manufactured" Ghost Guns, finding out that there IS a great BIG phuckin difference in WHICH part of the gun gets the SN, I don't remember the case, but they made it go away REAL QUIETLY so the Gavster wouldn't loose his sh!t over it, finding out his gun control agenda was shot full of holes big enough to drive a Klinton through!

It didn't specifically call out the AR upper as a receiver. What it did was use a copypasted definition without including the clarifications/exceptions the feds have. Either they didn't know what they were doing or knew exactly what they were doing, you be the judge. The "primary component designed to block or seal the breech" would seem to be the bolt and the upper of an AR can be interpreted as the piece that "provides housing or a structure" for the bolt so it would have become one of the parts de facto treated as a receiver by sellers/FFLs if the original text passed. However, the upper doesn't even touch the bolt, just the carrier. I still think one of the parts that the bolt locks into/fits in would have been more at risk. Even gas rings could fit this definition hilariously enough.

The Cali gun control case that went quietly was precisely because the Federal Gun Control Act specifically has this "firearm frame or receiver" as "that part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel." So it would seem that from the beginning ; the ATF have been wrong about what serialized part is needed and is why the proposed addendum includes the upper receiver.

Edit. Because of that definition, the lawyers for the Cali case dropped it, so that they wouldn't admit that practically no AR15 on the market met the definition of "frame or receiver" and thus would have meant that they were all legal as "unregistered" firearm parts