National Rifle definition change to include braces?

[monkeybutler]

Fook the BS but didn't everyone anticipate something like this would happen?

Pinned 14.5s and 16s have always been good enough for me. If I had gotten into 300 BLK it might have been different.

I guess I always figured braces would eventually be classified by .gov as a means to backdoor SBRs. So I never bought one.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Are there states that do not allow open carry of rifles? If so, how does anyone go hunting?

I think it depends moreso on cities and counties. Some say you can't open carry a loaded rifle. Some say its fine. Some say only with a valid hunting license/permit. Some (Portland...) only if you have a CHL permit

 

[Reperio]

A rifled barreled firearm MADE with a stabilizing brace and designed to be fired with one hand is a pistol regardless of barrel length.

I should have been more clear. I was supposing we are talking about pistols MADE to be pistols, as in registered as such.

 

[arakboss]

I should have been more clear. I was supposing we are talking about pistols MADE to be pistols, as in registered as such.

The laws are confusing. I just wanted to make clear that the length of the barrel doesn't determine the classification of a handgun. If you have a 40 inch barrel on a G17 pistol you still have a G17 pistol.

 

[Yarome]

What is the source of the above clipped & pasted text?

regulations.gov section III. "Proposed rule"

[Factoring Criteria for Firearms with Attached "Stabilizing Braces"
Posted by the Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives Bureau on Jun 9, 2021]

 

[Yarome]

If you have a 40 inch barrel on a G17 pistol you still have a G17 pistol.

Mandingo carry?








(I'm so ashamed but the temptation was too great and the whiskey too short in the glass! )

 

[Member 53328]

Form 1.

 

[Member 53328]

Right. Good luck telling a disabled vet he can no longer carry his loaded stabilized 1911 in his vehicle with him.

Maybe they will make up an exemption and issue a placard to be displayed around the neck or stapled to their foreheads.....

 

[WeaponizedMRE]

Since the penalty will be the same, might as well replace them with stocks.

 

[bentoncity]

Conversations, like in this thread, are a PRIME example as to why the ATF needs to go away. Or at the very least...select individuals within that organization!

Dan

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

This Trans BS has gotten out of hand. Now a pistol can identify as a rifle because it has an ineffective prosthetic.

 

[nwslopoke]

They become an SBR to be precise.

What about traveling to other states? SBRs need notification. Shouldn't be necessary, not that I agree with the proposal. With Washington's 10 rd limits, I'll stick with handguns.

 

[Yarome]

What about traveling to other states? SBRs need notification. Shouldn't be necessary, not that I agree with the proposal. With Washington's 10 rd limits, I'll stick with handguns.

Mag capacity you mean? The destination state laws would apply.

 

[nwslopoke]

Mag capacity you mean? The destination state laws would apply.

No. I mean legally transporting a SBR from one state to another, you have to send notification/permission slip to your destination state. The 10 round comment was just saying, why bother with an AR pistol.

 

[Stomper]

What about traveling to other states? SBRs need notification. Shouldn't be necessary, not that I agree with the proposal. With Washington's 10 rd limits, I'll stick with handguns.

Mag capacity you mean? The destination state laws would apply.

The YT channel, "Washington Gun Law" has covered this and said (to the effect) "importation for sale or new magazines over 10-rds for permanent residency is "prohibited" but could be argued that it does not address a non-resident "passing through".

It's only a matter of time before this law falls to the SCOTUS Bruen decision.

 

[The Heretic]

Every SBR is a rifle, but not every rifle is an SBR.

Capiche?

SBS is next - i.e., braces on smoothbore "Firearms" (e.g., Mossberg Shockwave).

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Interesting. Rumors that the ATF is wanting to propose a change to the rifle definition?

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Does that mean that the whole pistol brace/SBR issue would be made moot and effectively make braced pistols "rifles" instead of an SBR? Hu, what now??

These are not rumors. It is not new. That is the language of the proposed brace ban that they took comments on (June 2021). Some of us have been talking about this specific passage and rifle redefinition for over a year here. I won't dig up all the old posts but I've said it at least 10 times as I can recall. I pointed it out over and over at the time when they were asking for comments (2021).

Two big problems with this:

1) ATF (executive branch) is trying to change the definition of a rifle that was set by Congress (legislative branch) in the 1935 NFA which is massive over-reach and a violation of separation of powers.

2) they are trying to define what a rifle is based on something you attach to a pistol. That's like redefining your cat based on what sweater your dog is wearing.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Two big problems with this:

1) ATF (executive branch) is trying to change the definition of a rifle that was set by Congress (legislative branch) in the 1935 NFA which is massive over-reach and a violation of separation of powers.

Yup. EPA vs W. VA should render this unenforceable and null and void, but we'll see.

2) they are trying to define what a rifle is based on something you attach to a pistol. That's like redefining your cat based on what sweater your dog is wearing.

Well. There's history of this type of thing. See "attaching a vertical foregrip to a pistol" that apparently classifies it as an AOW also see "Lightning Link/Drop in Auto Sear kits" that turns ordinary ARs into "illegal" MGs (only illegal if you don't have a specific FFL SOT and also only if it's post 1986 manufacture )