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It's going to be FEMA and Home Land that's going to be coming after the guns. The State, County and Local might start it but I think they will back off pretty fast and let the big boys take over.
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POTENTIAL WAR STARTING FROM CONNECTICUT
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Speculation about how the state of Connecticut would respond to the thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of gun owners who failed to register their firearms by December 31 ended when the state police sent out this January 2, 2014 letter to all those who registered late, but who in the process gave the state sufficient information to brand them as criminals: name, address, description of weapon or magazine, and date of ownership:
Dear Sir/Madam:
We are returning your application for assault weapon certificate and/or large capacity magazine declaration because it was not received or postmarked prior to January 1, 2014 as required by law.
As a result, you have the following options for your assault weapon ...
1. Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable;
2. Sell the assault weapon to a licensed gun dealer;
3. Remove the assault weapon from the state, or ...
4. Relinquish the assault weapon to a police department or to the [states] Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection....
Sincerely,
Lt. Eric Cooke, Commanding Officer, Special Licensing and Firearms Unit
This was the consequence promised by Mike Lawlor, an undersecretary of Connecticuts Office of Policy and Management, who said: Like anything else, people who violate the law face consequences. What Lawlor didnt make clear is what those consequences might be for those who ignore the letter from Cooke. What happens then? Is the state ready to amp up pressure on recalcitrants? What if such pressure moves recalcitrants into the category of resisters? Is this a game of chicken that Connecticut is willing to play?
Mike Vanderboegh doesnt think so. A blogger at the conservative Sipsey Street Irregulars, Vanderboegh outlined possible consequences facing Connecticut State Police officers if they are called into action against the newly minted felons who were innocent on December 31 and became criminals in the eyes of the state the next day. Vanderboegh, the founder of the Three Percent movement (a reference to the three percent of the population who, he says, fought the British during the American War for Independence), carefully crafted a 16,000-word e-mail and sent it to every one of the 1,200 members of the Connecticut State Police and the Department of Emergency Services warning of the consequences they could face if they follow orders from superiors to begin confiscating weapons from owners by force. Wrote Vanderboegh:
Though this letter is certainly intended to deal with an uncomfortable subject, it is not a threat to anyone. However, it is important for everyone to understand that while we promise not to take the first shot over principle, we make no such promise if attacked, whether by common criminals or by the designated representatives of a criminal government grown arrogant and tyrannical and acting out an unconstitutional agenda under color of law.
Vanderboegh quoted at length from a speech he made on the capitol steps in Hartford on April 20, 2013, noting specifically that according to American Jurisprudence, the encyclopedia of American law, an unconstitutional law is void, and if a government tries to enforce such a law, there will be pushback from citizens. At the time, Vanderboegh told his audience:
No one thought the authorities of your state would pass laws making criminals out of the previously law-abiding but they did.
If they catch you violating their unconstitutional laws, they will ... send armed men to work their will ... and people innocent of any crime save the one these tyrants created will die resisting them.
Vanderboegh tried repeatedly to clarify his intent. His warning was to those mostly likely tasked to do the enforcing:
This is all hypothetical, of course, based upon the tyrants appetites for these hitherto law-abiding citizens liberty, property and lives as well as upon your own willingness to enforce their unconstitutional diktat....
The first thing you have to realize is that the people you will be targeting do not view you as the enemy. Indeed, you are NOT the enemy, unless you choose to be one....
Thus, my kindly advice to you ... is to not go down that road. You are not the enemy of the people of Connecticut, not yet ... in the absence of a definitive U.S. Supreme Court decision, do you really want to risk not being able to draw your pension over some politicians insatiable appetite for power?
This is no veiled threat, no matter how Vanderboegh phrases it. If police officers start shooting, some, a few, citizens are likely to shoot back. The conflagration could then spiral out of control. And that is the real threat.
According to some news reports, perhaps as many as 100,000 citizens in Connecticut are out of compliance with the new law. If just three percent of those are determined enough to stand their ground against door-to-door searches or other strategies to confiscate weapons, how will that resistance be met? Could it escalate? Could it spread? Could it turn neutrals into partisans? These are all questions that the Vanderboegh letter fails to address, but the risks are real. The consequences predicted by Lawlor and now being warned of by letters to brand new self-confessed felons who are out of compliance could be beyond imagining. Its time for de-escalation, not escalation. Vanderboegh would certainly agree with that.
Update (Feb. 28, 2014 @ 12:10 p.m. EST): In response to concerns that the letter from the Connecticut Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection quoted above might be a hoax, The New American called the department to confirm the accuracy of the letter. Lt. Vance of the Connecticut State Police confirmed that the letter is accurate in every respect and was sent out with the date of January 2, 2014.
A graduate of Cornell University and a former investment advisor, Bob is a regular contributor to The New American magazine and blogs frequently at Light from the Right - Constitutional Conservative Commentary on Critical Issues, primarily on economics and politics. He can be reached at [email protected].
Related article:
Connecticut Gun Owners Ignore Registration Deadline
Dear Sir/Madam:
We are returning your application for assault weapon certificate and/or large capacity magazine declaration because it was not received or postmarked prior to January 1, 2014 as required by law.
As a result, you have the following options for your assault weapon ...
1. Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable;
2. Sell the assault weapon to a licensed gun dealer;
3. Remove the assault weapon from the state, or ...
4. Relinquish the assault weapon to a police department or to the [states] Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection....
Sincerely,
Lt. Eric Cooke, Commanding Officer, Special Licensing and Firearms Unit
This was the consequence promised by Mike Lawlor, an undersecretary of Connecticuts Office of Policy and Management, who said: Like anything else, people who violate the law face consequences. What Lawlor didnt make clear is what those consequences might be for those who ignore the letter from Cooke. What happens then? Is the state ready to amp up pressure on recalcitrants? What if such pressure moves recalcitrants into the category of resisters? Is this a game of chicken that Connecticut is willing to play?
Mike Vanderboegh doesnt think so. A blogger at the conservative Sipsey Street Irregulars, Vanderboegh outlined possible consequences facing Connecticut State Police officers if they are called into action against the newly minted felons who were innocent on December 31 and became criminals in the eyes of the state the next day. Vanderboegh, the founder of the Three Percent movement (a reference to the three percent of the population who, he says, fought the British during the American War for Independence), carefully crafted a 16,000-word e-mail and sent it to every one of the 1,200 members of the Connecticut State Police and the Department of Emergency Services warning of the consequences they could face if they follow orders from superiors to begin confiscating weapons from owners by force. Wrote Vanderboegh:
Though this letter is certainly intended to deal with an uncomfortable subject, it is not a threat to anyone. However, it is important for everyone to understand that while we promise not to take the first shot over principle, we make no such promise if attacked, whether by common criminals or by the designated representatives of a criminal government grown arrogant and tyrannical and acting out an unconstitutional agenda under color of law.
Vanderboegh quoted at length from a speech he made on the capitol steps in Hartford on April 20, 2013, noting specifically that according to American Jurisprudence, the encyclopedia of American law, an unconstitutional law is void, and if a government tries to enforce such a law, there will be pushback from citizens. At the time, Vanderboegh told his audience:
No one thought the authorities of your state would pass laws making criminals out of the previously law-abiding but they did.
If they catch you violating their unconstitutional laws, they will ... send armed men to work their will ... and people innocent of any crime save the one these tyrants created will die resisting them.
Vanderboegh tried repeatedly to clarify his intent. His warning was to those mostly likely tasked to do the enforcing:
This is all hypothetical, of course, based upon the tyrants appetites for these hitherto law-abiding citizens liberty, property and lives as well as upon your own willingness to enforce their unconstitutional diktat....
The first thing you have to realize is that the people you will be targeting do not view you as the enemy. Indeed, you are NOT the enemy, unless you choose to be one....
Thus, my kindly advice to you ... is to not go down that road. You are not the enemy of the people of Connecticut, not yet ... in the absence of a definitive U.S. Supreme Court decision, do you really want to risk not being able to draw your pension over some politicians insatiable appetite for power?
This is no veiled threat, no matter how Vanderboegh phrases it. If police officers start shooting, some, a few, citizens are likely to shoot back. The conflagration could then spiral out of control. And that is the real threat.
According to some news reports, perhaps as many as 100,000 citizens in Connecticut are out of compliance with the new law. If just three percent of those are determined enough to stand their ground against door-to-door searches or other strategies to confiscate weapons, how will that resistance be met? Could it escalate? Could it spread? Could it turn neutrals into partisans? These are all questions that the Vanderboegh letter fails to address, but the risks are real. The consequences predicted by Lawlor and now being warned of by letters to brand new self-confessed felons who are out of compliance could be beyond imagining. Its time for de-escalation, not escalation. Vanderboegh would certainly agree with that.
Update (Feb. 28, 2014 @ 12:10 p.m. EST): In response to concerns that the letter from the Connecticut Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection quoted above might be a hoax, The New American called the department to confirm the accuracy of the letter. Lt. Vance of the Connecticut State Police confirmed that the letter is accurate in every respect and was sent out with the date of January 2, 2014.
A graduate of Cornell University and a former investment advisor, Bob is a regular contributor to The New American magazine and blogs frequently at Light from the Right - Constitutional Conservative Commentary on Critical Issues, primarily on economics and politics. He can be reached at [email protected].
Related article:
Connecticut Gun Owners Ignore Registration Deadline
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Just like putting a frog in a pot of cold water on a stove and slowly bringing the water to a boil. The frog doesn't react because the temperature rises so slowly.
Give the police the opportunity to look like hero's by going after the bad guys to start off with. Then when everything escalates the next wave of folks to have their guns confiscated will be made to look like bad guys too because that will be the same premise it was done the first time. Then the police will be made to look like hero's again and again and again.
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Double ^5's for Rottie- got that X the first shot with a cold barrel my friend
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When I saw the title of this thread, for a moment I thought Taku had returned!
Sucks to be you because I'm Taku's older brother- we think somewhat alike, act somewhat alike, and work somewhat alike. And yes, we network on the other Forum.
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When I saw the title of this thread, for a moment I thought Taku had returned!
Where did he go? I thought it odd that a plethora of political posts were NOT being posted by him.
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FACT: Please keep in mind that this was all initiated by, and being enforced by your gun, and Second Amendment Friendly Democrat Party.
*Snorts in derision* When I was a boy I voted Democrat because I wanted to change the world, to make it a better place for everyone. Got my first college degree, went in the Army, got out and realized I had made a horrible, horrible mistake. Then I looked at the Republicans and got madder than h ell at them for stealing the planks of the Libertarians' platform. 30 years have passed- the Democrats have become the Evil Force of the Empire, the Republicans can't count their reproductive organs twice in a row to get the same number, and the Libertarians while small in numbers just can't seem to get enough traction to make much of a difference.
It is said that confession is good for the soul. It is also considered generally evil to wish something bad on someone. But I confess if Hillary Rodham Clinton had a major life threatening stroke or heart attack...well, thank you G-d for bringing balance to The Force.
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<broken link removed> That's where he's gone along with some of the more hard core members of this Forum.
Since I am a Libertarian moderate <broken link removed> I can- or at least try- to see all sides of this conflict.
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I was going to say... not when it comes to 2A issues. Then I read the rest of your "Kalifornia" comment.
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I'm a moderate on most issues, and an extremist on the 2nd amendment.
The outright censorship on this forum however is really starting to upset me, and a good deal of other folks, and it's not even me being censored.
This is the fastest way to kill ANY message board.
The outright censorship on this forum however is really starting to upset me, and a good deal of other folks, and it's not even me being censored.
This is the fastest way to kill ANY message board.
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So far, I have not encountered any censorship so I have no opinion. It does seem puzzling to support the second amendment while ignoring the first however,,,,,(?)
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I've only personally had one thread closed without notification, but I'm seeing it.
Look here
http://www.northwestfirearms.com/off-topic/164203-russia-invades-ukraine%85.html
The comments in this thread that were censored were no more on or off topic than the other comments. There's no rhyme or reason to it.
Absorbing the poor spelling, syntax, and grammar in the intro sections make it look like an interesting place.
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