National They're starting to call for 2a repeal

[RedRover]

Meanwhile, across the Pacific.

 

[shibbershabber]

Never going to happen. That would be the start of a civil war.
Remember what Jefferson said about the Tree of Liberty!

Im becoming more and more skeptical of what will and will not start a civil war... the handful of people who truly give a bubblegum about gun rights arent going to do anything and wouldnt have any effect if they did

Our society is to weak and pampered to sustain any sort of conflict beyond the social media fights and few street protests we see already. No one is ready for hard times, no one is ready to watch their friends and family die... no one is willing to give up even the smallest amount of comfort to effect ANY sort of long term gain... Many of these traits our society exudes these days are probably responsible for the mentalities of these mass shooters.

The squeaky wheels will get their grease and we will all have to suffer for it. Anyone who stands up to it will be dealt with swiftly and publicly. Others will take note and think, "well, at least I still have ___________" and they will move on. Of course the progressives must have progress, so it will be something more after that... but in the end it will all be too late and we will end up powerless in our own country.

Give an inch and they'll take a mile.... but weve given up a couple of feet already, so we all know where this is headed... only a matter of time. Trump is about as good as it gets from the GOP right now and I have serious doubts about his commitment to the Bill of Rights.

Maybe Im just a pessimist?

 

[Xaevian]

"The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt." -John Philpot Curran

 

[oneharmonic]

A small fringe are actually calling for a 2A repeal (although it grows after each mass shooting).

Meanwhile even Republicans and moving towards gun control. I think we can all agree the fewer mass shootings we have, the less risk of gun control we have.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1158808279511961601

 

[The Heretic]

A repeal is something I don't think we have to worry about. The process takes a long time, is too hard to do and mostly improbable/infeasible - not to mention that, from what I understand, it would probably involve a Constitutional Convention where they could do more than just repeal the 2nd, they could change pretty much anything they want, in which case the rest of the BOR would at peril, not to mention the whole Constitution.

States Likely Could Not Control Constitutional Convention on Balanced Budget Amendment or Other Issues | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

In the coming months, a number of states are likely to consider resolutions that call for a convention to propose amendments to the U.S. Constitution to require a balanced federal budget, and...

www.cbpp.org

It is a lot easier to just keep chipping away at it. With the courts (and most people, including most gun owners) not understanding what the 2nd is really about (hint: it isn't about guns), much less the history behind it, and courts willing to just go with precedent (bad or good) legislatures and people's initiatives can keep making laws that are unconstitutional with little worry that they will get struck down in court.

 

[Pacesetter]

Another good article to read and think on ~ I thought

Will Focusing on ‘Contagion Effect’ Reduce Mass Shootings?

By NOT identifying the mutant, we are dependent on what "officials" and their approved media megaphones tell us...

www.ammoland.com

 

[308]

Why are gun owners so predictable?
We refer to those who support gun control in any number of derogatory terms, such as sheep, etc...
And yet?
The politicians and MSM blow their dog whistles and do nothing more than "say" things, and...
All the 2A folks start blowing their head gaskets and dragging out the same old MOLON LABE!! and Lets Just
Do This! type rhetoric
One of our members here (Andy) told everyone about his experiences and warned us..."You don't want that to happen"
So for those non-Tier-1 operators, go play a round of paintball or airsoft and find out how fast you are going to die...
One of our members has already suggested a good alternative. Pray about it...pray for peace
The rules here say I am not supposed to say things like, we are reaping the results of turning our back on God and watching the effects of His blessings being removed...rules say I can't say that stuff. Can't say things like, "Our struggle is not (really) against flesh and blood (each other) but, rather our struggle is again the invisible powers and principalities in the heavenly realms"...can't say that.
We are being played alright...just not by who we all might think it is.
Feel free to ignore, be triggered, or report my hurtful and insensitive final comments.

 

[bentoncity]

Amend it.. I don't think so. I'd find it rather hard to believe there would ever be enough support to make it happen. But given the education? of todays' youth, I suppose it could happen....

Dan

Article V, U.S. Constitution
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

Although the info below is true, it's just meant as an illustration of just how far "stupid" can go. Don't get up in arms over it. No pun intended...

US Rep. Mike Turner

Today, I announced my support for restricting military style weapon sales, magazine limits, and red flag legislation. Read my full statement here

Don't forget, 'military style weapon' includes the following: I'll forego the dedicated FFL licensed ones like tanks, heavy weapons etc. List may/may not be 100% correct but you get the idea of WHERE these type of cockamamy ideas could lead to. Just like the chipping away of our constitutional rights!

Sidearms

• Colt M1889
• Colt M1892
• Colt M1905
• Colt M1909
• Savage M1907
• Smith & Wesson M1899
• Colt New Service Revolver
• Colt M1911
• Colt M1903
• Colt M1917 revolver
• Colt Official Police (Colt M1927 AKA "Colt Commando")
• Smith & Wesson M&P
• All the Glocks, Sigs, HK's, Beretta's

Rifles

• Berthier M1907/15
• Browning M1918
• Short Magazine Lee–Enfield Mk III
• Springfield M1896 and M1898
• Springfield M1903
• Winchester M1886
• Winchester M1892
• Winchester M1894
• Winchester M1895
• Winchester M1907
• Winchester M1910
• M1 Garand
• M1 Carbine
• M2 Carbine
• Springfield M1903A1
• M1917 Enfield
• M1941 Johnson rifle
• CAR 14
  • 2Colt Automatic Rifle-15 family
    • 2.1CAR-15 Rifle (AKA: M16 rifle)
    • 2.2CAR-15 Heavy Assault Rifle M1 (AKA: Colt Automatic Rifle)
    • 2.3CAR-15 Heavy Assault Rifle M2 (AKA: Colt Machine Gun)
    • 2.4CAR-15 Carbine
    • 2.5CAR-15 Submachine Gun (AKA: CAR-15)
    • 2.6Colt Commando (AKA: CAR-15, XM177 & GAU-5)
    • 2.7CAR-15 Survival Rifle
  • 3Post-Vietnam
    • 3.1M16 Carbine (AKA: CAR-15)
      • 3.1.1GUU-5/P
    • 3.2M4 carbine
      • 3.2.1M4 Commando

Sniper rifles

• M1C Garand
• Springfield M1903A4
• Springfield M1903A1 (Used by USMC)
• M1917 Enfield
• Winchester Model 1895
• Winchester Model 70
• Mk 14 EBR
• M110 SASS
• M24 Sniper Weapon System
• M110A1 CSASS
• SIG Sauer 716 G2
• Mk 20 SSR
• Mk 21 PSR
• M2010 ESR
• M107

Shotguns (Commonly used by the Marines in the Pacific theater, limited use in Europe)

• Remington M1910-A
• Winchester M1897
• Winchester M1912
• Winchester M1897
• Winchester M12 - used also on the Western Front(Standard issue shotgun of the US army)
• Browning Auto-5
• Winchester Model 21
• Remington 31
• Ithaca 37
• Stevens M520-30 and M620
• 500 MILLS
• M1014
• M26 MASS

Flamethrowers

• M2 flamethrower
• M1A1 Flamethrower
• Ronson flamethrower

Edged weapons

• Bolo knife
• M1917 and M1918 trench knife
• Ka-Bar
• M1 bayonet
• M1917 bayonet
• M1905 bayonet
• M1942 bayonet
• Mark I trench knife
• M3 fighting knife
• M4 bayonet
• United States Marine Raider Stiletto
• M1917 bolo knife M1909 bolo knife

Bayonets

• M1905 bayonet
• M1917 bayonet

Aircraft

• C-12 Huron
• C-26 Metroliner
• C-31 Troopship
• Gulfstream C-37
• EO-5
• RC-12 Huron
• Cessna UC-35
• DHC-6 Twin Otter
• AH-6 Little Bird
• AH-64 Apache
• CH-47 Chinook
• EH-60 Black Hawk
• MH-47 Chinook
• TH-67 Creek
• UH-60 Black Hawk
• UH-72 Lakota
• I'll forego the UAS/UAV's, watercraft & field equipment

 

[JustShoot]

I really hate to make myself look Tin-Foil Hat here, but the goal for massive firearms control for the US public must be meet before they finalize the raping of the Treasury and collapse of the US dollar . They are in a desperate race .
.

 

[Goosebrown]

I've never seen the thing, but I'm pretty sure the tree of liberty wouldn't have rule against two consenting adults going through a ceremony committing to each other.

I set of think I don't want a world like that. That's NOT libertarian.

 

[Jonnyuma]

I think we all agree that repealing the 2A is far-fetched at this point in time. Something we need to be aware of, but not an immediate concern.

This was pulled from the article and I had to read it twice:

"Markey, for his part, has repeatedly introduced a bill to incentivise other states to adopt gun laws more like the stricter licensing standards in Massachusetts"
(Emphasis added)

What in the world is that about? Has anybody ever heard of this? Know any details? What kind of "incentives" is he offering? Federal dollars? Is it even legal?

I'll do some digging later, just wondering if this is well-known or something that's been kept a secret.

 

[nwslopoke]

The 2A doesn't give anyone the right to commit a crime. Lazy court systems and politicians are too worried about elections than doing their job.

Defending rights, not removing them. In most cases, the system had ample opportunity to remove the threat before hand. The PC culture they push stopped it. They blame the gun to take the finger pointing away from themselves.

 

[ma96782]

Aloha, Mark

 

[titsonritz]

Dem Rep. Himes: Nobody Wants To Take Away Guns, We Just Want To Be Like Australia, Canada & Great Britain

 

[titsonritz]

Aloha, Mark

And there you have. Go for it, I guess.