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Oly rally: Smaller but energetic crowd at Capitol

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Dave Workman, Jan 15, 2015.

  1. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Gottlieb tells rally: ‘We are here in broad daylight for all to see!’

    State Rep. Matt Shea (R-4th District), announced that he has filed legislation (HB 1245) to repeal I-594. The bill has five co-sponsors, all Republicans, including David Taylor, Jay Rodne, Graham Hunt, Elizabeth Scott and Dan Griffey. Quizzed about the bill’s chances, Shea told Examiner that if it doesn’t pass this year, “that’s not the point.” He vowed to reintroduce his bill “every year until it is repealed.”


    http://www.examiner.com/article/gottlieb-tells-rally-we-are-here-broad-daylight-for-all-to-see
     
  2. Gunguy45

    Gunguy45 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks to all who showed up. It's a four-hour one-way trip for me and I had other obligations.
     
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  3. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Anyone want to answer this goober in the Examiner comments section?

    Lectoran hour ago
    "I always appreciate it when people like this appear in broad daylight. It makes them easier targets,"
     
  4. Gunguy45

    Gunguy45 Well-Known Member

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    Reply to an obvious troll? I did, sorta. That's all any troll deserves.
     
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  5. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    If I wasn't sick I'd have shown up, I have gone to all the rallies for 3 years. ...:(
     
  6. IheartSig

    IheartSig Beaverton Diamond Supporter Diamond Supporter Platinum Supporter

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  7. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Follow-up:

    What’s happening in Washington State is a learning experience for people everywhere who don’t take the time to vote. Washington’s experience is a preview of what may be coming to other parts of the country.


    As activists rallied on capitol steps, lawmakers went to work

    As hundreds of Second Amendment activists rallied on the Capitol steps in Olympia yesterday, inside lawmakers were going to work on their efforts to erode, if not outright undo, Initiative 594 – the 18-page gun control measure passed by voters in November – and among bills now in the hopper is one to eliminate the state pistol registry.


    http://www.examiner.com/article/as-activists-rallied-on-capitol-steps-lawmakers-went-to-work
     
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  8. RB87

    RB87 Oregon Active Member

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    "We're here, we're queer. Get used to it."
     
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  9. Monica Cowles

    Monica Cowles Grays Harbor, Washington Member, NRA (Life) USCCA, ACLDN, SAF (Life) Staff Member Silver Supporter

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    Thanks, Dave, I shared the second article on Northwest School of Safety's FB page...:)

    If anyone wants to go over there and help it 'go viral', I would be tickled!!
    Thanks!!! :D:D:D
     
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  10. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Well boyz-n-girlz.... Give a shout out to the loveliest member of the audience on Thursday! (She's a lot cuter than me or Alan Gottlieb, I guarantee it!) ;)

    And she brought her son along, strictly for a learning experience, I'm sure. :D

    When this is over, we may all owe Monica a debt of gratitude we may not be able to repay.

    Now, in the meantime...and Monica certainly saw some of the players...


    Will demonstration in House gallery lead to new rules?

    A small demonstration yesterday in the Washington State House gallery by about 15 gun rights activists could become a big headache for Second Amendment advocates, as lawmakers are reportedly now considering a change in rules for armed citizens, the Associated Press and KOMO News are reporting.


    http://www.examiner.com/article/will-demonstration-house-gallery-lead-to-new-rules
     
  11. RB87

    RB87 Oregon Active Member

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    New rules eh? How dare the serfs assert their rights before their legislative masters.
     
  12. Monica Cowles

    Monica Cowles Grays Harbor, Washington Member, NRA (Life) USCCA, ACLDN, SAF (Life) Staff Member Silver Supporter

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    HA! No shouting please, just go spread the word from my FB page-or your own page, if you have one...c'mon, guys, it's easy to hit a couple of buttons and help spread it around--let's do whatever we can to change the public perception of I-594...

    Don't just complain....Let's MOVE!!!!:s0026:;)o_O:)
     
  13. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    What happened Thursday is being pretty heavily criticized by a lot of gun owners, including people who were there. I covered the event. I heard complaints from some people who were in the main crowd that there was a bit of sloppy gun handling.

    I didn't notice, but I was kind of busy shooting photos and taking notes. The fact that others noticed, including people I know (and that includes a couple of Open Carry advocates and daily practitioners) and have found their judgments to be pretty solid.

    Don't pull this "serfs" versus "masters" argument. It doesn't wash. It smacks of living in denial.

    If you can't acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, some of our guys didn't leave a good impression...indeed, a bad enough impression that this happened...maybe you're not being intellectually honest with yourself.

    Just saying.
     
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  14. RB87

    RB87 Oregon Active Member

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    Good impression? They could have been picture perfect and odds are the media and politicians would still demonize them. All due to a few protesters with supposedly unsafe handling practices?

    Dave, what they did was legal and it just scared the WA senators. So they banned it. Its an excuse. The emperor has no clothes!? How dare you say that! Sounds a lot like all gun controllers and laws like 594. Ban open carry, it scares me! Then its ban all carry. They've already started with 594, a law so open ended its not enforceable unless they get the will do it and then "hey, its the law".

    You're side in this debate is acting like it is still the 1960's and its going to be the same reactions to the Black Panthers in CA when the situation is quite different. Oh the government is reacting the same but I think you make a grave mistake in thinking the populace will react the same.
     
  15. Gunguy45

    Gunguy45 Well-Known Member

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    First, I open carry a pistol regularly. So let me be clear that I support O/C.

    Having said that, there are smart ways and dumb ways to O/C and I've always been uncomfortable with O/C rifles, because they serve no rational defensive purpose (Long guns are not a good choice for defending against a criminal attack). And because of the intimidation factor.

    I think trying to poo-poo the intimidation factor is a mistake. A person who might feel marginally uncomfortable seeing my O/C pistol in a holster might feel genuinely threatened by my O/C of a rifle.

    I'm all for standing up for rights. But there are ways to do that which are inherently confrontational and MEANT to instill fear. And that is my beef with the rifle o/c people.

    SCARING people is not a good way to get our message across. And that's exactly how the demonstration in question was received. An intentionally confrontational and tacitly threatening piece of protest.

    We got what anyone could have predicted. Thanks a lot, I can no longer carry my o/c pistol into the chamber. How did that help us again?
     
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  16. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  17. Guilty

    Guilty Salem, Oregon Active Member

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    Long gun demonstrations hurt the Second Amendment cause, period. It immediately hurt the Salem protest a few years ago and it immediately hurt the Olympia protest.
    Nothing good can come from pictures of men, women and kids doing a photo op inside or outside of the Capitol buildings with long guns.
    The knee jerk reaction of the anti's is to call for legislators to take away our rights because it causes a negative emotional reaction to those who fears guns. Exactly what will it take for gun owners begin to understand this and change course?
     
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  18. Gunguy45

    Gunguy45 Well-Known Member

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    Gun Owners aren't the problem here. It's a tiny percentage that think (for God knows what reason) that scaring people and making politicians feel at risk somehow helps the cause.

    As I tell every class I have ever taught: "Scared sheep make no reasonable policy. DON'T scare the sheep."

    Carrying longarms into the statehouse doesn't "educate" anyone. It's an act that is DESIGNED AND INTENDED to instill fear.

    Fear helps no one. We already have enough of that, we certainly don't need to INSTILL it.
     
  19. tiggers97

    tiggers97 United States Well-Known Member

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    I have to agree: they hurt way more than they helped. If all they did was stay home and write a $10,000 check to Bloomberg, they would have done less damage for the 2nd amendment cause that day. They could have made their point as gentlemen.

    Just remember: decide if your actions are going to help or hurt your cause, and then act accordingly. Especially when the other side is being antagonistic.
     
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  20. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Who was the mad max idiot with the ar pistol on a sling and finger over the trigger ,complete with drop holster and trench coat? He was walking into the gallery at the capital
    Just the poster boy we need for these times. Not what I want representing me.