NRA-ILA breaking news I-1639

[Pete F]

It would be nice if someone would do a little research and see when the NRA got involved and when SAF and the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms got in for sure and what each groups goals were. I don't have the time right now, but I am pretty sure that each had the same goal, but different methods. I think that the NRA stepped in when they thought the time was right/critical.

If you look at what each had in mind, you might see that they were complimenting each other.

 

[Kruel J]

It would be nice if someone would do a little research and see when the NRA got involved and when SAF and the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms got in for sure and what each groups goals were. I don't have the time right now, but I am pretty sure that each had the same goal, but different methods. I think that the NRA stepped in when they thought the time was right/critical.

If you look at what each had in mind, you might see that they were complimenting each other.

That's too logical for my feeble neanderthal mind to comprehend.



J/K good post.

 

[DuneHopper]

Which initiative and what person are you referring to? You post is so extremely vague in nature, that is is virtually meaningless.

Love to help out, but rules do not make that possible, but I do know who drafted the two that got shut down in Oregon, its easy enough to figure out all his gun laws are poorly written. But since I can't share because only way I know how would break the rules. So best I can do for now.

 

[Hawaiian]

Bloomberg is financing it and the gun grabbers lie and try to deceive the public/voters any time they can. Yes, they speak with forked tongue. Just like when the government told the American Indians, "your people will be much better off on the new reservation we are moving you to." We all know how that worked out.

 

[U8395279]

It would be nice if someone would do a little research and see when the NRA got involved and when SAF and the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms got in for sure and what each groups goals were. I don't have the time right now, but I am pretty sure that each had the same goal, but different methods. I think that the NRA stepped in when they thought the time was right/critical.

If you look at what each had in mind, you might see that they were complimenting each other.

Well, I searched and looked at press reports, and confirmed that SAF and Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms were indeed the first to file suit, roughly 3 1/2 weeks before the NRA filed anything. And as far as I can tell, the NRA simply joined this existing lawsuit and supported it. This ruling by Judge Dixon covered all issues raised.

 

[U8395279]

Love to help out, but rules do not make that possible, but I do know who drafted the two that got shut down in Oregon, its easy enough to figure out all his gun laws are poorly written. But since I can't share because only way I know how would break the rules. So best I can do for now.

Again, your posts are so vague in nature, that they make what you say virtually meaningless. What rules are you referring to here?

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[Kruel J]

Love to help out, but rules do not make that possible, but I do know who drafted the two that got shut down in Oregon, its easy enough to figure out all his gun laws are poorly written. But since I can't share because only way I know how would break the rules. So best I can do for now.

No where in the "rules" says you can't document your sources.

 

[DuneHopper]

As was stated WGAS, you want to really thank people thank all the donators on this forum who gave the money they all fought with, maybe that will stop the bickering. Maybe thank each other for donating. I had to three and am grateful to all whom did donate to that cause. Just a side note just because one place was great this time doesn't take away from all the hard work others do all year.
As much as I give OFF and the NRA allot of crap they do keep people in the loop and that helps allot.

Like watching squirrels running back and forth across arguing whom can avoid the most cars....hint
means its counter intuitive.

 

[Caveman Jim]

Take it further and Can Wayne! That dude is the bane of the NRA! Nothing good has ever happened while he has been in charge, and he is a Bubblegummer to EVERY body that isn't a millionaire handing him cash!

The only way to kick Wayne to the curb is up to the membership, if enough of us vote (nd I do) then we can elect another NRA President.

 

[Kruel J]

Love to help out, but rules do not make that possible, but I do know who drafted the two that got shut down in Oregon, its easy enough to figure out all his gun laws are poorly written. But since I can't share because only way I know how would break the rules. So best I can do for now.

You can site sources and specifics all day long. But when it's followed up with political agendas and backhanded comments the "rules" do tend to be bent. Sometimes to the point of breaking.

 

[Kruel J]

The only way to kick Wayne to the curb is up to the membership, if enough of us vote (nd I do) then we can elect another NRA President.

@Caveman Jim for NRA president!

 

[DuneHopper]

No where in the "rules" says you can't document your sources.

In the way that I want to say it yes, yes there is. Been in that trap before fool me once.

I won't be part of helping in this area for now until its resolved to my satisfaction. So Ive said I know and thats what I am sharing. The point of sharing was to inform people this was no where near the dude in a church ........ that draft came out way before him. so carry on and figure this out and be happy it did not pass gees, don't try and drag me into this stuff here, seen enough to avoid it from here on out in this thread.

 

[Kruel J]

In the way that I want to say it yes, yes there is. Been in that trap before fool me once.

I won't be part of helping in this area for now until its resolved to my satisfaction. So Ive said I know and thats what I am sharing. The point of sharing was to inform people this was no where near the dude in a church ........ that draft came out way before him. so carry on and figure this out and be happy it passed gees.

I'm sorry DH, but I don't think anything here is going to be resolved to your satisfaction.

 

[Caveman Jim]

The NRA is going to have to change its tactics. It has been relying on donating to politicians but the recent spate of A rated Republican governors signing gun control legislation coupled with the tyranny-of-the-majority effect that sometimes results from the petition process, it is time for the NRA to change tactics. If I had any influence, my suggestions would be:

1) Improve the marketing and make an attempt to appeal to all gun owners because that number is certainly larger than the smaller subset of those who might appreciate the ultra-nationalistic/angry/retributionist materials. Make an effort to put gun ownership and gun owners in a positive light. We're all probably friendly/unfriendly at the same rates as any other group. Don't make people fear us.

2) Stop mixing issues. LaPiere's recent article in The Rifleman on socialism comes to mind -- lots of socialists like guns. So do Democrats, Republicans, Greens, Libertarians, etc. etc. Going out of your way to alienate gun owners is like shooting yourself in the foot. Twice. On purpose. To prevail in the recent spate of initiatives, we need as many voters as possible, even those who do yoga or crystal therapy.

3) Invest more money in litigation -- the fact that pro-gun legislation is dead despite GOP majorities in the House and Senate plus a Republican president, speaks volumes. The only way we have been able to retain our rights has been with litigation and so instead of blowing so much money on politicians, put it to work where it can do some actual good. States do have deep pockets, but the money can be exhausted -- if EVERY piece of gun legislation costs the states or cities or counties, multi-millions in litigation costs, it will be felt and could put a damper on these ridiculous laws. Be absolutely relentless and make gun-control legislation so cost prohibitive, it doesn't get done, or at least not at the current rate.

4) Pay attention to the states because that is where the fight is right now. Ignoring the states to throw money at Congress has not borne fruit, meanwhile, in at least half the states touching saltwater, gun rights are being eroded rapidly and as these laws remain on the books, they become more entrenched and harder to undo, but even worse, their existence encourages more states to pass similar measures. If CA style gun control was the law in half the states, it's more likely that SCOTUS would just accept that as the new status quo, and then Congress would finish off the rest of the states. We're being defeated in detail right now and the NRA should join those groups that are resisting but just aren't rich enough to do all they need to do.

I'm still a member of the NRA, and I'll keep renewing, but I'm just a minimum member -- I figure that having me on their membership list is helpful at least in demonstrating that there are a lot of gun owners. In contrast, I donate as much as I can afford to SAF and even though I don't get a fleece blanket out of it, I get fighters -- and sometimes they win as in with I-1639, and that is worth more to me than any logo-ed piece of made-in-China carp.

I agree, we need to be in contact with TPTB and let them know our concerns and come together as a membership also.

 

[U8395279]

Probably should go ahead and put me on your ignore list.

Well, but you turned your comments to me totally in an ad hominem direction. You really want to make me the focus of the discussion? What useful or constructive purpose does that accomplish?

I had always wondered why Playboy Penguin virtually disappeared from this website, several years ago. He used to be a frequent contributor, but that was many years ago. I used to enjoy much of the content and info that he would share here.

In light of this thread, I think that I can now sort of understand why he now so rarely posts on this website.

 

[Caveman Jim]

@Caveman Jim for NRA president!

I accept & my first task at this new position will be to kick ole Wayne in the cooter!!!

 

[Kruel J]

I accept & my first task at this new position will be to kick ole Wayne in the cooter!!!

You got my vote!

 

[No_Regerts]

Well, but you turned your comments to me totally in an ad hominem direction. You really want to make me the focus of the discussion? What useful or constructive purpose does that accomplish?

I had always wondered why Playboy Penguin virtually disappeared from this website, several years ago. He used to be a frequent contributor, but that was many years ago. I used to enjoy much of the content and info that he would share here.

In light of this thread, I think that I can now sort of understand why he now so rarely posts on this website.

What a shame.








Not really.

 

[DuneHopper]

I'm sorry DH, but I don't think your satisfaction will get resolved.

You just have to know whom is trustworthy and honorable when you share in a forum. I stand behind what I say, and my word is my bond period. If I can trust a person then sharing in this forum would be great. Now why would I share in a forum where like 20 new members joined in the last two days. Its not like anyone will have my back if I got buried.
Was just talking with a friend today about how people really need to be careful in here in these open threads.

 

[Kruel J]

You just have to know whom is trustworthy and honorable when you share in a forum. I stand behind what I say, and my word is my bond period. If I can trust a person then sharing in this forum would be great. Now why would I share in a forum where like 20 new members joined in the last two days. Its not like anyone will have my back if I got buried.
Was just talking with a friend today about how people really need to be careful in here in these open threads.

I sure hope at this point you know I'm trustworthy. And for others reading this, only DH will get that.