No Citizenship to Vote

[riverrat373]

Look I'm 40 years old. Ever sence I can remember (I guess the Ronald Regan years) there has been problems with voter fraud. (Illegals voting, dead people somehow voting..etc.) I believe there has probably been millions of illegal votes that have been counted. If we dont fix it now..then when?

According to the New York Times, 120 people were charged with voter fraud in the 2006 elections and 86 of those were convicted. Voter fraud certainly exists in the US but it's not as great as some will have you believe. Certainly NOT in the millions! Although I hate to admit it, most of the fraud was committed by Democrats! It's pretty hard to commit voter fraud in this country and is a very serious crime.

 

[Karma]

According to the New York Times, 120 people were charged with voter fraud in the 2006 elections and 86 of those were convicted. Voter fraud certainly exists in the US but it's not as great as some will have you believe. Certainly NOT in the millions! Although I hate to admit it, most of the fraud was committed by Democrats! It's pretty hard to commit voter fraud in this country and is a very serious crime.

All that shows, is how many were charged with a crime. ****, look at the black panthers that they chose not to charge with voter intimidation during the last election.

Voter fraud is huge in this country.

 

[Father of four]

All that shows, is how many were charged with a crime. ****, look at the black panthers that they chose not to charge with voter intimidation during the last election.

Voter fraud is huge in this country.

I agree that many are not actually being caught. They may even be overlooked on purpose.

 

[bnsaibum]

This thread is about illegal aliens voting.

Thank you for bringing the distinction up. There are illegal aliens and immigrants, not illegal immigrants. An immigrant is here legally and usually has to go through quite a few legal hurdles to get here and stay legally. An illegal alien is just that, illegal and an alien (of the terrestrial kind). Using the term 'illegal immigrant' softens whatever argument the term is used in, when 'illegal alien' should be used instead.

 

[MikeE]

The illegal aliens I'm scared about are the foreign corporations that appear to be dumping money into Tea Party Republican coffers via the US Chamber of Commerce:
Dems say U.S. Chamber using foreign money on U.S. races | McClatchy
Thanks to the Right-Wing Activist Judges on the Supreme Court and their 'Citizens United' decision that declares that corporations are people with 1st Amendment rights to contribute unlimited $$ to the political prostitutes of their choice (hint: 'Liberty-loving Conservatives'?).

 

[riverrat373]

The illegal aliens I'm scared about are the foreign corporations that appear to be dumping money into Tea Party Republican coffers via the US Chamber of Commerce:
Dems say U.S. Chamber using foreign money on U.S. races | McClatchy
Thanks to the Right-Wing Activist Judges on the Supreme Court and their 'Citizens United' decision that declares that corporations are people with 1st Amendment rights to contribute unlimited $$ to the political prostitutes of their choice (hint: 'Liberty-loving Conservatives'?).

+1

 

[Trlsmn]

The illegal aliens I'm scared about are the foreign corporations that appear to be dumping money into Tea Party Republican coffers via the US Chamber of Commerce:
Dems say U.S. Chamber using foreign money on U.S. races | McClatchy
Thanks to the Right-Wing Activist Judges on the Supreme Court and their 'Citizens United' decision that declares that corporations are people with 1st Amendment rights to contribute unlimited $$ to the political prostitutes of their choice (hint: 'Liberty-loving Conservatives'?).

If you think big money and corporations only buy one side of the political coin you are naive! If I wanted to buy the government why would I buy only one side and then have to fight the other? Fact is you buy all sides and make all sides your puppets!

The only difference between Democrats and Republicans is who they pander to for votes, in the end everyone loses regardless of who is elected.

 

[MikeE]

If you think big money and corporations only buy one side of the political coin you are naive! If I wanted to buy the government why would I buy only one side and then have to fight the other? Fact is you buy all sides and make all sides your puppets!

The only difference between Democrats and Republicans is who they pander to for votes, in the end everyone loses regardless of who is elected.

Agreed. Last time they were buying Democrats, as the wheels fell off the Bush-McCain bus. Now there's a fire sale on marked down Tea Party revolutionaries...
Question is why do we let this happen? If we agreed on the goals, what we wanted society to be like, and worked at it, we could probably do better, IMHO.

 

[MikeE]

The Tea Party movement and FreedomWorks IS the best thing going right now and is the worse thing there is for the two political parties.
You really need to do more than just scratch the surface of your understanding of what the heck is going on right under your nose

Why do you think that Democrat Bill Clinton asked Democrat Meek to give up his Democrat bid in Florida so Republican Crist could have a better chance of winning against Tea Party candidate Rubio.
Why are the Dems and Republicans working together in Alaska against the Tea Party candidate? Why is the same happening in many other states?

Here is a guide to consultants and operatives profiting off the Tea Party, including Freedom Works Honcho Dick Armey whose 'consulting' firm lobbied for AIG, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs and others to secure the TARP bailout. Not that I expects anything like facts to change minds...
ThinkProgress » Tea Party Profiteers: How Republican Operatives Are Exploiting Economic Anxiety For Power, Cash

 

[MikeE]

Here is a guide to consultants and operatives profiting off the Tea Party, including Freedom Works Honcho Dick Armey whose 'consulting' firm lobbied for AIG, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs and others to secure the TARP bailout. Not that I expects anything like facts to change minds...
ThinkProgress » Tea Party Profiteers: How Republican Operatives Are Exploiting Economic Anxiety For Power, Cash

OOPS, my bad. Tea Party organizer Dick Armey actually was lobbying for AIG Lehman Bros and Merrill Lynch during TARP negotiations. Wrong international corporate giants.

 

[Riot]

The decision by a three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals found that...

Enough said...

 

[BroncoFan]

The illegal aliens I'm scared about are the foreign corporations that appear to be dumping money into Tea Party Republican coffers via the US Chamber of Commerce:
Dems say U.S. Chamber using foreign money on U.S. races | McClatchy
Thanks to the Right-Wing Activist Judges on the Supreme Court and their 'Citizens United' decision that declares that corporations are people with 1st Amendment rights to contribute unlimited $$ to the political prostitutes of their choice (hint: 'Liberty-loving Conservatives'?).

"Democrats Took $1M from Foreign-Affiliated PACs, Report Shows"
CBS News

Democrats Took $1M from Foreign-Affiliated PACs, Report Shows - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Methinks it would be fair to say that both "sides" are receiving foreign contributions wouldn't you? As far as the SCOTUS goes sometimes you take the good with the bad - I'd much rather have a court erring on the side of freedom of speech than squelching rights.

 

[MikeE]

Thank you for not answering my direct question
Cat got your toungue?

"thinkprogress.org" Jeebus, man... Why not just link us to the Socialist Party website!
now, that's an honest bastion of information!



"aided and abeited by Fox News..." i'm gonna bust a gut

Someone took away Lisa Murkowski's (SP?) pet job away, so she's upset. Corporate Democrats take $ just like corporate R's. The Tea Party is just muscling-in at the trough. Dick Armey's corporate connections are pretty much all there is to say on that.
Look, it's about objectives. If, during a massive recession caused by out-of-control financial fraud a 'movement' is agitating for LESS oversight over monopoly business practices, then its objective is to run the bus way over the cliff. Why? Because it is representing a corporate global interest that sees the USA as a non-performing profit center. People can weep to Jesus and wave the flag all day long, but if a 'movement' seeks to remove restraint from corporate criminals, then it is an accessary to the crime.

 

[sweetbeard]

PAGE 5....

that is all

 

[009]

maybe the goal of all of this is to create a need to welcome socialism? and who will flip the bill when all the jobs are gone? i am affraid that is when the real change will happen. beyond belief to most of us.

 

[Jamie6.5]

Dems say U.S. Chamber using foreign money on U.S. races | McClatchy

Check the first two words of your link,...
"Dems say"<snip> What do you think they will say? It's election campaign mudslinging time. Both sides do it, so CHECK YOUR SOURCES!

Thanks to the Right-Wing Activist Judges on the Supreme Court and their 'Citizens United' decision that declares that corporations are people with 1st Amendment rights to contribute unlimited $$ to the political prostitutes of their choice (hint: 'Liberty-loving Conservatives'?).

For as many years as I can remember (and at over 50, that's considerable) the process has recognized unions and their corrupt leadership as "people." And now, some of the biggest unions in the country are unions of public employees.
Government paid workers influencing elections to the degree they do is worse than the influence of any single corporation. Why? They'll ALWAYS support the candidate that supports bigger government budgets and more government in general. Where does it stop under the union/socialist scenario,..? It doesn't.

When you're done with the liberal/progressive rhetoric, spend your money on a clue instead of political influence.
You'll learn more.

 

[Father of four]

I had always had a "live and let live" attitude towards the gay issues until they started wanting to teach my kids in 2nd and 3rd grade that it was "normal" to be gay and that it was "O.K." to be gay.

You see... I'm expected by the Left to be Tolerant, and to "live and let live" yet they DO NOT want to be Tolerant and to "Live and Let live" when it comes to my beliefs and standards.

My feelings exactly!

 

[Jamie6.5]

You see... I'm expected by the Left to be Tolerant, and to "live and let live" yet they DO NOT want to be Tolerant and to "Live and Let live" when it comes to my beliefs and standards.

Thanks GF. That's a huge part of the whole point for me. The idealism of my youth didn't survive the tempering of age.
And with it went the idea that legislating the various causes would set them right.
I was there in the beginning of the enviro movement. And the "rights for all" movement.
I've been discriminated against too, and found the best way to fight it. And it doesn't involve legislation.
There are so many "movements" that have been co-opted by the left for political gain, it is sickening.
That isn't the government's job. Only people that refuse to think for themselves believe that government is the answer.
The immigration debacle is a prime example of this. It's just too bad that a few "leaders" on the conservative side have chosen to look the other way on this issue. No doubt for political gain. So if they aren't voting,... Where's the gain?
If you truly believe they aren't voting then ask yourself why there is political gain involved?!?

And those that don't believe WA or other states have a problem with voter fraud (NOT voter registration fraud) need to look harder at the numbers for denied active duty military ballots, and the debacle that was the 1st WA gubernatorial race between Gregoire and Rossi.
Many dead, non-residents and non-citizens voted. And oddly enough, the vast majority voted for Gregoire!

There is an old hippie in Eugene that has two bumper stickers on his car.
One says: "Celebrate Diversity!"
The other says: "Lobotomies for Republicans,... It's the law."

I asked him if he was trying to level the political playing field. He gave me a funny, but rather blank look.

 

[Stomper]

There is an old hippie in Eugene that has two bumper stickers on his car.
One says: "Celebrate Diversity!"
The other says: "Lobotomies for Republicans,... It's the law."

I asked him if he was trying to level the political playing field. He gave me a funny, but rather blank look.

I don't care WHO you are.... now that's FUNNY right thar!!

 

[8ball]

Look I'm 40 years old. Ever sence I can remember (I guess the Ronald Regan years) there has been problems with voter fraud. (Illegals voting, dead people somehow voting..etc.) I believe there has probably been millions of illegal votes that have been counted. If we dont fix it now..then when?

The reason you 'remember' it is because voter fraud is a reliable old canard trotted out every election season. As others have pointed out, there is very little widespread, systematic voter fraud in the US. Almost all of the articles you read about voter fraud are almost always voter *registration* fraud.

Even when Republicans controlled both the House, Senate and Oval Office, they didn't seriously pursue voter fraud. All they did was pass laws designed to disenfranchise some voters.

There is plenty of shenanigans around voter registration and ballot chicanery, but that's equal opportunity as both parties do it, and it doesn't lead to voter fraud.