No Citizenship to Vote

[Karma]

Are you serious? That's some loud bs, I hope. Calling for the death of federal judges is not looked on kindly, nor should it be.

He expresed his opinion. A violent overthrow of the federal government isn't looked on kindly either, but the founders wrote the 2nd Amendment specifically for such a action if it became necessary.

The problem is that judges have absolute immunity. They basically have no check on their power. They took a law that was passed in 2004 I believe and made a ruling that could drastically compromise the upcoming election a week prior to said election. Judges are supposed to be politically neutral. Do you believe that ruling was a coincedence? I don't.

I also don't think it was a coincedence that the Nevada voting machine's default setting was on Harry Reid. There are going to be some dirty tricks attempted in this election. You are seeing the very beginning.

 

[Father of four]

I think there are steps We The People should follow before the last straw is to be drawn.

1. We The People call, write, e-mail our Representatives in Our County, Our State and then Our Federal Government and tell them what We want them to do or the laws to pass. Or tell them what they are doing wrong and what laws to remove.

2. If the first step doesn't work then We The People wait until its time to vote. Then We vote the ones out who didn't do what We wanted. Let the Representatives know who they work for. Us! Before they are hired or fired by Us.

3. If they continue to choose not to do as we want then We The People have the Constitutional Right to change Our government the way We see fit.

It is a action that Our founding Fathers agreed upon to be our way of life. The correct way if needed.

It is about We the People first! The government from County to Country work for Us! They should always know that everyday the go to work for Us!

Its not some threat, conspiracy or revolution if We the People have to go to step 3.

The Constitution of the United States

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

In Congress, July 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

And if you are not a Citizen you cannot vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[KTM530XCW]

Lol. Yeah. Right. Until "The Obama" took control. The people wanted change? They got it! Now, "Hope" we can change back!

 

[Father of four]

I hope we can change it back too.

 

[riverrat373]

Sounds like a obama wet dream.

The Arizona law was in direct violation of The Voting Rights Act of 1965. At 4 years old, I doubt that Obama had anything to do with the recent decision!

 

[riverrat373]

Lol. Yeah. Right. Until "The Obama" took control. The people wanted change? They got it! Now, "Hope" we can change back!

The Arizona law was a violation of The Voting Rights Act of 1965. At 4 years old, I doubt that Obama had anything to do with that decision!

 

[riverrat373]

I hope we can change it back too.

The Arizona law was in violation of The Voting Rights Act of 1965.

 

[riverrat373]

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 was passed to insure that minorities were not denied the right to vote. In the south it was quite common to require Blacks and other minorities to pay a voting fee (or poll tax as it was sometimes called) which most poor people could not afford to pay. Sometimes they were required to a take a literacy test which many poor people could not pass.

Please ,people, before going off the deep end, try to find out why such decisions are made by the courts.

 

[Father of four]

The Arizona law was in violation of The Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Uhhmmm....I suggest you read a few posts up to see what I was posting about. I am sure I did not post anything about Arizona Law being with in or in violation of The Voting Rights Act of 1965.

But we might as well now.

So then what are your feeling about letting illegals vote?
Is it the illegals right to vote here in Our Country?
How do we determine if a person is legally able to cast a vote?

I still say if you are not a citizen you cannot vote!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jamie6.5]

But we might as well now.

So then what are your feeling about letting illegals vote?

Wait a minute!! This is a HUGE part of the problem
I don't care what anyone's "feelings" are concerning the big issues this country is facing.
I do care about what a person THINKS about issues like this.
The "feely" argument is what got us where we are in the first place.
If you can't think objectively about legal issues then STFO of the argument.

Is it the illegals right to vote here in Our Country?

NO!

How do we determine if a person is legally able to cast a vote?

In areas of high illegal residents, there needs to be a mechanism in place to determine citizenship. It is states, like Oregon, that issued IDs to illegals for years with no mention of citizenship, that got us into this situation.

I still say if you are not a citizen you cannot vote!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed.

 

[riverrat373]

Uhhmmm....I suggest you read a few posts up to see what I was posting about. I am sure I did not post anything about Arizona Law being with in or in violation of The Voting Rights Act of 1965.

But we might as well now.

So then what are your feeling about letting illegals vote?
Is it the illegals right to vote here in Our Country?
How do we determine if a person is legally able to cast a vote?

I still say if you are not a citizen you cannot vote!!!!!!!!!!

I was just commenting on why the court made the decision it did. No, I don't think that illegal immigrants should have the right to vote and they don't have that right. I vote in every election via mail-in ballot and I no one checks to see if I'm in the country legally.

The court ruled against the part of the Arizona law that requires people to prove that they are citizens before they can REGISTER to vote. Voters still have to show ID before voting.

 

[swoop]

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 was passed to insure that minorities were not denied the right to vote. In the south it was quite common to require Blacks and other minorities to pay a voting fee (or poll tax as it was sometimes called) which most poor people could not afford to pay. Sometimes they were required to a take a literacy test which many poor people could not pass.

Please ,people, before going off the deep end, try to find out why such decisions are made by the courts.

The voting rights act of 1965 was passed to ensure that all AMERICAN CITIZENS would have the right to vote. Obama's wet dream is to see all the non-citizens that he has allowed to slip across the border vote DEM.

 

[8ball]

I have to agree with the dissenters. The clear history of such actions is to restrict the right to vote, especially that of minorities or poor people. Hence the 1965 act. A drivers license doesn't prove your citizenship, and obviously not everybody eligible to vote has a drivers license.

If you look at the facts, the number of non-citizens actually voting in the US is tiny. The penalty is deportation if you are caught. Is one vote that important that a non-citizen would risk deportation?

There are lots of invalid voter registrations (Mickey Mouse, dead people etc), but that is mainly because, like initiatives, the parties pay the signature gatherers per registration. I doubt anybody turns up on election day claiming to be Mickey Mouse.

In 2005 the WA Republicans checked the King County rolls and claimed 200 people were voting fraudently because they listed storage units as their home addresses. It blew up in their face when the managers of the storage units who lived onsite got kicked off the electoral roll and couldn't vote. The Republicans had to apologize and withdraw their challenge.

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I am far more concerned about voter fraud via electronic voting which appears to have few controls and is more open to abuse.

 

[Father of four]

Wait a minute!! This is a HUGE part of the problem
I don't care what anyone's "feelings" are concerning the big issues this country is facing.
I do care about what a person THINKS about issues like this.
The "feely" argument is what got us where we are in the first place.
If you can't think objectively about legal issues then STFO of the argument.

My "feelings" are a BIG part of my vote. After I have "researched" a Candidate or the Measure I have to rely on my feelings to finally vote. If the Candidate swears up and down he/she will do what they say they will, I still have to believe, trust, "feel" they actually will. Even though a Representative comes up with a Measure and the Measure states it will do or not do something, in the end I will have to believe, trust, "feel" that the Measure will actually accomplish what it says it will do.

I try to think objectively, and sometimes in do need to shut up.

Just because I am not as smart as you, does that mean I cant offer my opinion?

 

[Father of four]

I would ask you these questions then 8ball..

How do we as a nation decide who is legally able to vote?

How can we tell if a person is legally able if they are not required to show proof of citizenship?

 

[Father of four]

In areas of high illegal residents, there needs to be a mechanism in place to determine citizenship. It is states, like Oregon, that issued IDs to illegals for years with no mention of citizenship, that got us into this situation.

Even though I agree with you, that was not a answer to the problem.

Mechanism to determine citizenship?

 

[riverrat373]

Obama's wet dream is to see all the non-citizens that he has allowed to slip across the border vote DEM.

You can't really be serious?

 

[Jamie6.5]

Even though I agree with you, that was not a answer to the problem.
Mechanism to determine citizenship?

That is why when I get my DL renewed in OR next time, I will have to show my birth certificate AGAIN, like I did the first time, some 35+ years ago.
It makes no difference that I never gave up my Oregon license, I still have to show them proof of where I was born. That came about since "The Dept. of Homeland Security" came to be.
And will be the new mechanism. If currently AZ has no provision for proof of citizenship, then I believe they have every right to ask for it. Eventually (supposedly) all states will have said provision.

Of course it would be nice if you had to show proof of citizenship before you could RUN for office too!

 

[C&H]

Oh goodness gracious Jamie6.5, are you a birther?

 

[Jamie6.5]

My "feelings" are a BIG part of my vote. After I have "researched" a Candidate or the Measure I have to rely on my feelings to finally vote. If the Candidate swears up and down he/she will do what they say they will, I still have to believe, trust, "feel" they actually will. Even though a Representative comes up with a Measure and the Measure states it will do or not do something, in the end I will have to believe, trust, "feel" that the Measure will actually accomplish what it says it will do.

I try to think objectively, and sometimes in do need to shut up.

Just because I am not as smart as you, does that mean I cant offer my opinion?

I was not slamming your intelligence FoF, I assure you. And if empathy for an unborn baby or someone on death row causes you to make a decision based on that, that's your choice. It's your conscience, you have the right to vote it, and I'll champion your right to do so. But don't ask me to support you if you want to be a supreme court justice!
You took the time elsewhere to explain your feelings about pro-choice candidates and I respect that.
But "feelings" for the homeless, or welfare moms, or people that bought houses they knew they couldn't afford etc. needs to be reigned in before we end up with pure socialism.
My country wasn't founded on the idea of equal outcomes.
The notion of demonizing the rich and powerful is preposterous.
Just as the notion that everyone deserves a house, job, free medical care etc. is preposterous also.
Both are examples of where "feelings run amok" has gotten us.

And is just as, or more detrimental to the country as dollars run amok.