Hey, you're not planning to suicide are you? Better get those cable locks on!!!! LOLZummmm? I've got a drawer of cable locks if the need one (well, probably not any more). LNIB
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Hey, you're not planning to suicide are you? Better get those cable locks on!!!! LOLZummmm? I've got a drawer of cable locks if the need one (well, probably not any more). LNIB
An uncrackable consumer safe doesn't exist. They are deterrents. People want to smash and grab, or do something in the heat of the moment. You slow them down by 10 mins, 30 mins, an hour, or you require them to use substantial tools and force to break in (they might not be knowledgeable or strong enough, or they might make too much noise) and they reconsider. Or the heat of the moment passes and they rethink things.Not to quibble, but IMHO, a $500 safe isn't going to get you very far against thieves and fires.
Start at around $2,000-$3,000 for the going rate for bottom-line security and fire protection.
And before anyone reignites the Safe Flame Wars, I did state that this was my opinion only, having bought more than a few safes over the years...
But I concur; as much as I ABHOR the .gov getting into my home and personal affairs, get a safe, people...
No, but I just read on the news all three Crumbleys are in isolation on suicide watch.Hey, you're not planning to suicide are you? Better get those cable locks on!!!! LOLZ
I throw all mine in the garbage because...well they ARE garbage.ummmm? I've got a drawer of cable locks if the need one (well, probably not any more). LNIB
Against. Charging the parents is an Anti's wet dream.Question - how is everybody with charging the parents ?
Is the general consensus it was justified and the right thing to do - AND that (from a news article):
Charging James and Jennifer Crumbly in this case serves as a wake-up call to parents and other gun owners that they need to be more responsible when it comes to safeguarding their weapons.
Just wanting forum member opinions as I am getting 'mixed messages' from people I talks to, and stories I read.
I have to say I agree with prosecutor's statement "owning a gun is a right, but gun owners must be responsible" (not an exact quote, from first minute or so of her press conference).Question - how is everybody with charging the parents ?
Is the general consensus it was justified and the right thing to do - AND that (from a news article):
Charging James and Jennifer Crumbly in this case serves as a wake-up call to parents and other gun owners that they need to be more responsible when it comes to safeguarding their weapons.
Just wanting forum member opinions as I am getting 'mixed messages' from people I talk to, and stories I read.
I get the feeling like a lot of small town gun-owning Michiganders are pissed the parents bought a Sig for their psycho kid and did nothing about it after multiple red flags, and now their sons and daughters are paying the price.Question - how is everybody with charging the parents ?
Is the general consensus it was justified and the right thing to do - AND that (from a news article):
Charging James and Jennifer Crumbly in this case serves as a wake-up call to parents and other gun owners that they need to be more responsible when it comes to safeguarding their weapons.
Just wanting forum member opinions as I am getting 'mixed messages' from people I talk to, and stories I read.
Better get them some cable locks in their cells. I heard @Lazyfaire has some spares...No, but I just read on the news all three Crumbleys are in isolation on suicide watch.
"Precedent" is the case law made by higher courts on appeal. The decision out of a trial court is not precedent. That said, if they are convicted, there absolutely will be an appeal due to the legislative history of safe storage acts in MI (i.e., the rejection of proposed laws on this topic). This is an obvious legal hook where it will be argued that a conviction in the absence of law forbidding the conduct is abhorrent to justice (seriously, think about how dangerous the world will become if prosecutors can lock you up not because you broke a law, but because they don't like your lawful behavior)....
I'm also unsure about the whole setting a precedent thing. If it does seek to set a precedent then I'm against it, just like I'm against the ridiculous attempts to hold gun manufacturers responsible. May as well hold Ford responsible for that psycho who mowed down kids ina parade, that kind of bs is ridiculous imo.
I live in Oregon - That is my reality..................................................................(seriously, think about how dangerous the world will become if prosecutors can lock you up not because you broke a law, but because they don't like your lawful behavior).
...................................................................
So let me edit that my quote:I live in Oregon - That is my reality.
seriously, think about how dangerous the world will become if prosecutors can let you go when you break the law, merely because they approve of your unlawful behavior.
Which facts?If the facts described in this article turn out to be true at trial, then the parents should be thrown in prison.Parents of Oxford school shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley charged with involuntary manslaughter
Their son is already being held without bail on murder and terrorism charges over Tuesday’s Oxford High School rampage that left four dead and seven injured.nypost.com
Prosecutor has a 100% conviction rate: https://mcdonaldforprosecutor.com/about/And I don't think the prosecutor can make the charges stick.
I'm torn.Question - how is everybody with charging the parents ?