Kelso: Police: Car prowl suspect held at gunpoint by victim

[coop44]

Why call the cops? I don't understand. Soooo many people have gone missing in the pnw, the bad guy would just be another "missing without a trace". Yep, decomposing in the woods, critter food.

when I use the remote start the car is locked.

 

[Capn Jack]

Didn't they find a knife in his hand?

Just asking for a friend.

 

[Cavedweller]

"Akin Blitz, a lawyer who specializes in public safety and the use of force, explained that in this case, property owners have the right to show a gun — but the law doesn't allow them to use deadly force to defend property outside their homes."

In other words, if the wannabe car thief had half a brain, he would have fled the scene. You can't hold someone at gun point if there is no actual threat of lethal force being used. He might as well have pointed an umbrella at the perp.

Per lawyer's quote in the article, what about property owners who choose to respond with a shovel instead of a firearm?

Sounds like it would have been OK as long as he didn't try to hit him with it.

 

[The Heretic]

In other words, if the wannabe car thief had half a brain, he would have fled the scene. You can't hold someone at gun point if there is no actual threat of lethal force being used. He might as well have pointed an umbrella at the perp.

A criminal doesn't know whether some citizen with a gun is going to shoot him if he tries to run away or not, regardless of what the law says about the legality of that action.

 

[Cavedweller]

A criminal doesn't know whether some citizen with a gun is going to shoot him if he tries to run away or not, regardless of what the law says about the legality of that action.

Yeah, I suppose so. It's a calculated risk, like most things in life.

 

[Alexx1401]

Yeah, I suppose so. It's a calculated risk, like most things in life.

The thief knows if he waits the Cops will cite him. At worst take him to jail and let him go. The homeowner may actually shoot him. FAR safer to wait for Cops.

 

[PORSCHE928S4]

Per lawyer's quote in the article, what about property owners who choose to respond with a shovel instead of a firearm?

But haven't you seen Felon it did not work out so well for the homeowner

 

[Cavedweller]

The thief knows if he waits the Cops will cite him. At worst take him to jail and let him go. The homeowner may actually shoot him. FAR safer to wait for Cops.

I dunno. There are a lot of things to consider. If the car is a Prius or a Subaru Outback, and there is a "coexist" or "Beto for president" bumper sticker on it, and they have a virtue signaling yard sign on the front lawn, and they guy's hand is shaking, etc. etc., I might try a run for it. On the other hand, if it's a Hummer or a Ford 750 and the guy looks like a Navy SEAL and has the drop on me, I 'd probably stay put. But, then again, I never tried to steal a car either, so I dunno.

 

[Knobgoblin]

^^^^
Just looked up "felon " .

Never seen it. Val Kilmer is not aging well

 

[Forester]

"Akin Blitz, a lawyer who specializes in public safety and the use of force, explained that in this case, property owners have the right to show a gun — but the law doesn't allow them to use deadly force to defend property outside their homes."

In other words, if the wannabe car thief had half a brain, he would have fled the scene. You can't hold someone at gun point if there is no actual threat of lethal force being used. He might as well have pointed an umbrella at the perp.



Sounds like it would have been OK as long as he didn't try to hit him with it.

 

[Forester]

Law of Self Defense

lawofselfdefense.com

Very good resource to address all the issues that have been mentioned.

 

[PORSCHE928S4]

^^^^
Just looked up "felon " .

Never seen it. Val Kilmer is not aging well

It is a good flick besides Doc Holliday probably one of his better roles

 

[Knobgoblin]

It is a good flick besides Doc Holliday probably one of his better roles

Literally did a short Doc Holliday montage for my wife while driving her to the dentist today.

She loved it.

To bad we were going to the dentist, if you know what I mean.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Law of Self Defense

lawofselfdefense.com

Very good resource to address all the issues that have been mentioned.

Also FYI good video from lawyer regarding defending property in WA state. The more good resources we have to understanding the law the better for us IMO.

At 6:39 in the video is a key in this type of situation for WA state

"Pointing a firearm at a person is considered the use of lethal force" (in WA)

IMO only, low ready is good and the time from low ready to the shot is away is a blink of an eye. Low ready you are not pointing the gun at someone.

But I'm no lawyer. I just like to follow the rules of gun safety such as don't point a gun at anything u are not willing to destroy and keep your finger off the trigger until u are on target.

 

[PORSCHE928S4]

Literally did a short Doc Holliday montage for my wife while driving her to the dentist today.

She loved it.

To bad we were going to the dentist, if you know what I mean.

I did some reading and he is buried in Glenwood Spring Co we used to go to the hot springs there all the time !

 

[coop44]

Shooting him in the foot could be considered an "accidental discharge" couldn't it? I mean, "in the excitement of the moment I guess I squeezed the trigger, I didn't mean to I swear! "

 

[Forester]

Also FYI good video from lawyer regarding defending property in WA state. The more good resources we have to understanding the law the better for us IMO.

At 6:39 in the video is a key in this type of situation for WA state

"Pointing a firearm at a person is considered the use of lethal force" (in WA)

IMO only, low ready is good and the time from low ready to the shot is away is a blink of an eye. Low ready you are not pointing the gun at someone.

But I'm no lawyer. I just like to follow the rules of gun safety such as don't point a gun at anything u are not willing to destroy and keep your finger off the trigger until u are on target.

In Oregon presenting a firearm is a felony assault

 

[po18guy]

Per lawyer's quote in the article, what about property owners who choose to respond with a shovel instead of a firearm?

The shovel usually comes into play after the firearm.

 

[Knobgoblin]

The shovel usually comes into play after the firearm.

It's a decent multi tool.

Blunt force implement , sharpening one edge creates a crude cleaver, and of course the traditional digging role.

One stop chopping

 

[ilikegunspdx]

In Oregon presenting a firearm is a felony assault

Do you know the OR law reference for that?