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Josephine County Makes Fox News.com

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by GOG, Dec 26, 2013.

  1. GOG

    GOG State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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  2. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    I wonder how much nonessential spending the county has in areas that is mandated by the state and unfunded/underfunded.
     
  3. Oklahomie

    Oklahomie Marysville Active Member

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    I just read that. Hats off to them for actually doing something.
     
  4. PopsBdog

    PopsBdog Southern Oregon Active Member

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    Here in Josephine County we have the lowest taxes in the state.
    Josephine County has a reputation for not supporting taxes and services going way back.
    When Andrew Carnegie offered to "give us a library" in the 1930's under the conditions we create a tax base to support/maintain it. We refused that free library for many years. It was finally voted for when the offer was about to be taken away in the 1950's.
    Later, because of losing the federal subsidies, our library system has been run by volunteers for the last 5 years.
    The county park system is maintained by volunteers for the same reasons.
    Burglaries have more than doubled since the sheriffs department has been cut back.
    Lots of them aren't even reported. Who are you going to report to and what can they do about it?

    It was Federal money that used to pay for all this and then some.
    Sometimes we don't realize who the "takers" are.
     
  5. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    I'm in Josephine County and have the upmost respect for the sheriff's department. They have been slammed with senseless budget cuts that go beyond reality. Timber sales were the funding source for most everything until the spotted owl fiasco put a stop to that.

    Now I read where the feds are killing owls to save owls. It's all almost as screwed-up as obamacare.

    We want our funding source back, not more taxes.
     
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  6. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    Which party controls the council? Are they willing to give up something (pay cuts, stipends or anything else)? sounds to be the status quo of DC!!!
     
  7. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    The Board of County Commissioners are your typical county government mess. All three of them. Three! Useless, Clueless, and Worthless. Cherryl Walker is a lib, the other two I don't know or care. They couldn't govern their way out of a wet paper sack.
     
  8. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Wasn't it timber money that supported these services? And now that the tree huggers, The State, and Federal Gov won't allow cutting timber that this economical nightmare has popped up?
     
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  9. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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  10. oli700

    oli700 Rogue Valley Well-Known Member

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    No, its just tree huggers tying up everything in court.....in fact the State is selling a big chunk of the Elliott ....because they are so tied up in court over the Marbled Murrelet.
    Actually its up for bid because the enviros can only tie up government entities, and they did the State when they wanted to selective log some of the land on the Elliott, it will go to a private logging company because the enviros wont be able to come up with the funds to out bid them. The irony is they will clear cut it , where the State only wanted a selective cut.
    The Feds and the State actually want to log for the revenue, its the enviro's that wont let it happen. But they live in a part of the state that couldn't care less about timber recipes, or have a clue how it works, or the history of O&E lands
     
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  11. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Crime creates job security for politicians, but in this case the citizens refused to be blackmailed again. Good for them.
    Til now citizens have funded their own totalitarian overthrow. This is a very small but great response.
     
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  12. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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  13. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    Agreed, most small towns are run by the citizens and do not need all the bells and whistles (fancy swat teams and swastika police state). We actually want to be left alone by the state & federal government. We take care of our own...
     
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  14. PDXoriginal

    PDXoriginal PNW Well-Known Member

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    Except when people become overzealous, let their egos get the best of them, and go on a power trip, things will go wrong and real bad quick.
     
  15. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    They did well a couple hundred years ago and up to about a hundred yrs ago.
    Couldn't be as bad as some LE.
    It is not as if they had a viable choice. They were pretty much blackmailed to the point they are at.
     
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    Fast Eddie Vancouver Well-Known Member

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    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    They have the fear an extreme inconvience game down pretty pat.
    In a nutshell it is intimidation, extortion and blackmail with a ribbon on it.
    They never cut waste or perks. It is always priority services.
    If a citizen did it they would lock you up and throw away the key.
     
  18. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    This.

    The bureacrats/pols are looking to punish the citizenry when the citizenry are so bold as to say they can't afford anymore taxes. They fool no one, there is usually someplace else to cut other than "emergency services" and schools, but they know these hurt the most.

    As for the citizen solution, on the one hand it always has been the case that the citizen is the first line of defense against criminals; there is no way a LEO can be present immediately for every crime, especially in rural areas.

    OTOH, I would be more nervous about most private citizens responding to a crime or disturbance than I would LEOs. A little bit of "training" doesn't really match the years of experience a LEO has, and then there is the whole issue of the powers of arrest, liability, etc. - a LEO has his dept. to back him/her up if there is a lawsuit/etc., the private citizen in a response team will have nothing.

    Instead of the citizens responding this way, they need to get some new county officials in who won't punish the county for not voting the way they want them to. It sounds to me like a recall election is called for. Use the power of a vote, not a gun.
     
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  19. fuhr52

    fuhr52 Lane County. Oregon Well-Known Member

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    It's difficult to vote the liberal elites out of power when the populated cities of most any county control most of the votes. Works that way for the state also. Portland, Salem and Eugene are the three that control state politics.
     
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  20. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    I'm all for the State of Jefferson, it would proudly be the reddest state in the union. Bring it !
     
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