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Interstate / Intrafamilial transfer

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Irish Gunner, Dec 3, 2012.

  1. Irish Gunner

    Irish Gunner Bay Area, CA New Member

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    I am hoping someone can give me some procedural advice or point me in the right direction. I live in CA, my brother in WA. He would like me to build him an AR for him. If I buy the lower and do the background check in CA, then build the rifle, what would be the process to legally transfer the rifle to him? I know how to do it from WA to CA, but this is new.

    Any advice helpful.
     
  2. Boomerang

    Boomerang Portland area Active Member

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    Send it to an FFL in WA and he can pick it up there. Alternatively, have him buy the lower in WA and you could go for a visit and do the build there.
     
  3. PX4WA

    PX4WA Tacoma, WA Active Member

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    you live in CA where everything including sale of firearms is tracked/registered... and evil features are an actual legal term...

    you can buy the lower in CA, build it to CA compliant specs including bullet button

    then you go to your FFL, get the right paperwork, mail it to him in WA where he then pays sales tax on it and an FFL transfer fee... including the cost to ship the firearm

    seriously for the amount of trouble it's worth, he can just buy a complete lower... or if he really wants it for the value of you making it... costs about as much to fly here for the weekend, build it and then go home to CA...

    don't even think of handing it to him if he visits you and have him bring it back.. FTF transfers in CA require an FFL and CA forms not withstanding you are residents of different states

    I may have missed a step, but that's the general idea
     
  4. Irish Gunner

    Irish Gunner Bay Area, CA New Member

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    I know the CA laws and just built my own CA compliant AR. Not all require bullet buttons. I guess I want to WA stand on intrafamily or interstate transfer in this scenario.

    1. I buy the lower, build the rifle then on my next visit to WA, I hand it to him. (I know CA would not allow this, but hell, this is a communist state).

    2. If not allowed could I just bring it up to a WA FFL and have them do the transfer. (That would be CA legal, so I suspect WA would allow it too.

    I called two dealers in tri-cities area and they are all back ordered on lowers since about 2 weeks prior to the election. For some reason they are more available here. Otherwise I was going to have him buy the lower and "loan" it to me when I come up in two weeks and return it to him in May.
     
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2012
  5. porto

    porto Oregon New Member

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    Not to hijack the tread, but I am trying to make sense of the CA gun list. Are specific manufacturers banned? Is it just the Kasler vs Lockyer list with the asterisk? Real confusing
     
  6. porto

    porto Oregon New Member

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    Should have clarified, specific AR makers
     
  7. Irish Gunner

    Irish Gunner Bay Area, CA New Member

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    Manufacturers are not banned. Specific models have been classified as AW under CA law. This flow chart will clarify CA law regarding AR and AK pattern rifles.

    http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
     
  8. porto

    porto Oregon New Member

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    That clears it up quite nicely, thank you. It IS incredible regulation. Doesn't look like I'll be traveling through CA with an AR, unless I get a S&W M&P with a button and no pistol grip.
     
  9. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    That flowchart makes me shudder every time I see it.