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I Cant Believe This...

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Oakley1wa, Jun 1, 2010.

  1. Oakley1wa

    Oakley1wa Beaverton, Oregon, United States Member

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    This is an article I found today. I will attach the link and paste the text directly in below it... I would like to know how all of you feel about this

    http://www.corneliaseigneur.com/where’s-a-portland-police-officer-to-get-a-cup-of-coffee/


    Where’s a Portland Police officer to get a cup of coffee?


    My daughter and I were looking forward to a nice lunch at the red and black, a vegan cafe in southeast Portland, two days before she was to return to Germany. Having a vegetarian daughter makes for great eating adventures. I had heard about this place as it was the opening scene in the book Imaginary Jesus, written by Matt Mikalatos, whom I am writing a story about for the newspaper.

    We ordered, we got our food and spoke of life and love and God and how things are going and how interesting the interior of this place is. I so wanted one of our last outings together to be memorable.

    Then, I looked outside the window and saw a police officer and thought, Oh, no; I hope I am not illegally parked. You never know in southeast Portland. But, the police officer was not looking to give out tickets, but instead he was looking for a cup of coffee, so he thought he would try this vegan place.

    He walks in and I say something to him, about how glad I am that he did not give me a ticket and he chuckled.

    With all the recent disturbing stories regarding the police in Portland, I thought I would try to show my support of the police by just being friendly.

    After he got his coffee, he was on his way out. My daughter and I were sitting near the door, so we addressed him again, just to talk. I

    opened the conversation by asking if he comes here a lot, and he said that he had never been there before.

    Then I told him that I appreciate the work they do as Portland Police officers and I noted that it must be hard with the recent shootings and negative reaction of the public. He was humble, and said that indeed Portland is an interesting place to work; he said it is very hard and trying at times as he deals with murderers and gang members and drug addicts on a regular basis. People hear about the unfortunate police shootings, but rarely do they hear about the day in and day out reality of police putting their lives on the line and saving people.

    As I was just starting to tell him how I agreed with him, and had a specific example – the 14 year old Sudan refugee boy, who was shot at by gang members in North Portland (and later came to live with us), who was saved by the Portland Police – one of the owners of the cafe came over to us; I figured he was just going to say hello, but instead, what came out of his mouth caught me off guard. He looked directly at the police officer, and said to him, “I don’t feel comfortable with you here, I would like you to leave.”

    I am baffled. Here is guy, who happens to be a police officer, who paid good money for a cup of coffee, talking to my daughter and me, who paid good money for their food, and we witness what I believe is discrimination really based upon what someone is wearing. This in a place that purports to be safe and welcome for all, found on their website.

    I asked the co-owner what is the problem here, he said that he does not feel safe around the Police, that they shoot people. I tell him I am confused by his response to a Police Officer who is merely trying to get a cup of coffee, and that I know that there have been some unfortunate situations recently involving the Police, but that overall they are here protecting our community day in and day out, and you have to look at all sides of culture. I also asked him whom he would call if someone came in to rob his store and he said he would call his friends in a community and that is when I knew we were getting nowhere.

    I wondered if he has visited countries where there is no true police force and where there is indeed lawlessness running the town or country.

    Later, I tracked down the police officer to give him my card and to tell him how I was sad that happened to him and I asked him to call me. I told him that I wanted to write about this and that it baffled me. I live in the suburbs where police are very much respected in the community. The Portland Police told me that they are used to this general attitude from some people in Portland; and he also said he will always be kind to people no matter what.

    I thought, wow, here this police officer is trying to protect the very people that hate him. The police officer said to me that part of the problem is education, that the public just does not know what they do all day long, that they put their lives on the line every single day, but what gets on the news is when a police shooting occurs due to someone who fled the scene or did not listen to orders.

    Later, when I spoke with the policeman in greater detail, he said: “I don’t think the public is aware that that is how it is and all you can do is put the best foot forward and be professional and kind. This person (at the cafe) has his personal opinion. Look at his surroundings. He surrounds himself only with people who think the same way. That person will never be treated poorly by me. It is a cultural thing. We are failing ourselves. The public does not know what we deal with every day. Just two days in a row I have dealt with murderers. You also have to understand that the police are unable to combat the info about the police because what we are allowed to share is confidential information.”

    The police officer also said that in the only so much info gets to the public, the public needs to be educated that we are on their side. “Every day police go out there and risk their lives. There is someone out there doing something wrong and we need to be there for the community. Let us get the bad guys here, but it is not as simple, there are a lot more factors in what we weigh in whether we want to act here.”

    Then, the clincher—he had me at hello- was that he offered to take me in his car for a day or an hour or for whatever time I had, to show me what he does all day long as a Portland Police officer. I would like to take him up on his offer, but to be honest, I would be afraid of what those police officers have to face during regular business hours on the streets of Portland.

    And, the public rewards him with asking him to leave a coffee shop.

    So, where’s a Portland Police officer to get a cup of coffee?

    Not at a certain vegan cafe in southeast Portland.

    My daughter and I were so distraught by this negative experience, about the way the café treated the police –when they should be treated with gratitude – that we went the next day looking for a café with class and dignity and honor for all people, no matter what they are wearing.

    We found the Palios Dessert & Espresso Bar in Ladd’s Addition, http://www.palio-in-ladds.com/ and we mentioned the situation we encountered, and the man behind the counter, and he said they treat all people equally there.

    Okay, we found a place for the police to get a cup of coffee. And us.
     
  2. jdub75

    jdub75 PNW Well-Known Member

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    What irony. Thanks for posting this.
    This reminds me of where I grew up, and how ignorance & the fear that results manifest in behavior like this. Where I grew up, it was race however, not a progressive Vegan & the police. I'd like to see what 'the community' will do when he calls 'them' about a maniac w/ a gun or machete hacking up his customers.
     
  3. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    The Red and Black is a self-styled anarchist run collective cafe, and as you surmised not to fond of the police......
     
  4. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    That's disturbing.
     
  5. MarkSBG

    MarkSBG Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for writing about this.

    This generation (in general) seems so ready to judge people for perceived wrongs committed by others in the same class. In the next breath they will scream for "tolerance" of other people. ("Other people" normally means "people I relate to and agree with".) The humor in the paradox is lost only because of the patheticness of the whole mess.

    The co-owner's rude behavior is not suprising, just another disappointment.
     
  6. soberups

    soberups Newberg Well-Known Member

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    Many of the so-called liberal, progressive anarchist types are often some of the most bigoted and judgemental people you will ever meet.

    Pot, meet kettle.
     
  7. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Well Hitler was a vegetarian, as well as an artist and animal rights activist, nuf said..............
     
  8. soberups

    soberups Newberg Well-Known Member

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    Copied directly from the Red and Black Cafe's website...their "safer space" policy....


    http://redandblackcafe.com/safer-space-policy/
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    Safer Space Policy
    We strive to eliminate any oppressive actions, behaviors, and language in this space. These include, but are not limited to, racism, sexism, ageism, sizeism, classism, ableism, transphobia and heterosexism. We want this to be a comfortable space for everyone. Please feel free to approach a collective member in confidence should anyone here make you feel unsafe.....
    The following behaviors may result in 86-ing, at the discretion of the worker(s) present:

    * Inappropriate / unwelcome comments and behaviors

    * Disruptive or disrespectful behavior

    * Causing a worker or patron discomfort or distress for any reason (including violating our Safer Space Policy)
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    What a bunch of hypocrites. They cant even follow their own rules!
     
  9. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Sound like a good place to have an impromptu open carry walk-in. :laugh:
     
  10. mr11b

    mr11b Portland, OR Member

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    I wonder how fast they would call the police.....
     
  11. soberups

    soberups Newberg Well-Known Member

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    They would panic and wind up pooping organic tofu into their recycled, collectively woven, eco-friendly hemp-fiber underwear. After the trauma was over they would gather together as a community to mourn, and to honor their diversity with a candlelight vigil and a group hug.
     
  12. tac

    tac UK, Oregon and Ontario. Well-Known Member

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    The OP wrote that the cafe owner wouldn't do that, just call his on his ethnically-connected like-minded brothers....

    How very sad the whole thing is.

    tac
    Supporter of the Cape Meares Lighthouse Restoration Fund
     
  13. mr11b

    mr11b Portland, OR Member

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    I know that's what the owner was saying, I was just implying that their ideology would probably be the last thing on their mind if a group of people showed up open carrying. After all as soberups pointed out, their friends would most likely be cleaning up their underwear and preparing for a vigil. :)
     
  14. fry

    fry pacific north west Active Member

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    just about fell out of my chair when i saw it on the news last night.

    this is not the portland that i am from.

    very sad indeed.
     
  15. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    That's the funniest thing I have heard all week.

    I wonder if they would do something like this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElJFYwRtrH4
     
  16. Oakley1wa

    Oakley1wa Beaverton, Oregon, United States Member

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    LOL! Epic... Crazy hippies.
     
  17. husker

    husker portland Active Member

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    Just saw this on the news. It is like they are sending out invitations to thieves.
    How sad.
     
  18. pokerace

    pokerace Newberg Well-Known Member

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    KOIN 6 has a poll running about this.
    Go vote.
     
  19. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    I can't stand to listen to ignorance that flows out of the mouths of the patrons of that place. Just ridiculous.

    The whole attitude of police officers being present is an act of war... c'mon dude, go smoke some more and put more patchouli oil in your hair.
     
  20. CEF1959

    CEF1959 Willamette Valley, Oregon New Member

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    Shouldn't a private business owner have the right to exclude whom he wants from his business on purely political grounds? Or to exercise his constitutional right to express his view that a police officer isn't welcome?

    The Red and Black is a long-standing, well-known anarchist/hard left hangout. You don't have to go there, and if you do, why? Just to harass people? Cause trouble?