How Can We Better Protect Students From Being Subject To Mass Murder Events At School?

[L84Cabo]

It's very simple. We should protect our schools like we protect anything of value. There needs to be a secured permitter with minimal and controlled entry and exit points. Strong fences. Strong doors and windows. ID badges and badge readers to help control access. Nobody gets onto campus while kids are there without going through the office...which is hardened and secured...and being escorted. Arm and train any teachers willing to accept the responsibility. They are the last line of defense. They stay with their kids, hunkered down inside locked classrooms with the students behind them, gun out and trained on the door if needed. In addition to this you have armed security. And I don't mean rental cops. I mean trained men who are capable of taking care of business if need be. They are the "hunters" and converge on any threat.

But you will never see this happen. To do so would mean that the Left has to admit that their policies have failed and that conservatives were right...that a good guy with a gun trumps a bad guy with a gun. So children will continue to die.

None of this, of course, address the root causes of these things. That is a very large set of complex social and cultural issues that would take generations to fix...if people were even willing to admit there was a problem.

 

[Hawaiian]

Evil people have been doing evil things since the beginning of time. I just seems to be getting worse lately. Guns are banned in China and evil people chop up kids in schools with swords. It is sad that our society has sunk to this level. Banning types of guns won't prevent these tragedies as today's incident showed. A shotgun and a revolver. No AR or semi auto pistol needed. While locked doors and metal detectors might be a deterrent, the truth is that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. The liberals would rather see children die than admit this. Train and arm teachers. Sad that we have to do this, but it will actually make a difference.

 

[GUNARCHER]

Do you remember the epidemic of freeway shootings in south CA? They got a lot of press and TV time and judging from the current trend of car chases on TV would still be covered the same---except they stopped. Wonder why?

Have there been any other crime "trends" that have died out or become less common?

 

[po18guy]

Private school. How much is your child's life, not to mention education, worth?

 

[Alexx1401]

Private school. How much is your child's life, not to mention education, worth?

If I still had school age kids here I would be looking into one. The public schools here have turned into a sad joke. When I have to interview for new hires it's amazing. The people who come in are so often literally functional literates and have a diploma. They have made it so the diploma means nothing now. My favorite from decades back. PBS was doing that special they used to run for a week on the Civil War. At break many of us are eating and a couple guys are talking about how good it is was. One new hire asks, " was that when the British came over here and attacked us?" When we tried to explain it to him he could not remember hearing about it in school. When I asked him if he had graduated he said yes he had a diploma from one of the larger school districts here. I bet they made sure he knew how to vote Democrat though. They are setting these kids up to fail and they don't care or it's done intentionally.

 

[Stomper]

That's because he who controls the present controls past, he who controls the past.... controls the future.

 

[po18guy]

The public school system is proof that we do not have to believe in God. Yet, be one a believer or not, where God is excluded, another steps in.

I ask: How is that working out?

 

[Flymph]

If I still had school age kids here I would be looking into one. The public schools here have turned into a sad joke. When I have to interview for new hires it's amazing. The people who come in are so often literally functional literates and have a diploma. They have made it so the diploma means nothing now. My favorite from decades back. PBS was doing that special they used to run for a week on the Civil War. At break many of us are eating and a couple guys are talking about how good it is was. One new hire asks, " was that when the British came over here and attacked us?" When we tried to explain it to him he could not remember hearing about it in school. When I asked him if he had graduated he said yes he had a diploma from one of the larger school districts here. I bet they made sure he knew how to vote Democrat though. They are setting these kids up to fail and they don't care or it's done intentionally.

I had a bad feeling that you were a teacher in the faculty lounge... i'm going with you're not, because that makes me more comfortable.
I was talking to a co-worker, I think telling him about a funny rap that came out a few years ago that portrayed George Washington. He asked "who is that? The guy who invented peanut butter?" I had to ask if he was serious and told him it was the guy on the dollar bill after explaining his role in early American politics and the Revolutionary war. He still thought the guy who invented peanut butter was the same General Washington that became our president.

It's bad that a lot of places pass students merely because they can repeat information at the time, regardless of their understanding of the material.

 

[Phather]

The only effective way to stop mass murder is to raise people who have no drive to commit murder. Our current generation is a lost cause as moral foundation is established by a young age.

What can we implement right now? Allow - don't compel - school employees to arm themselves. How do we ensure some oversight? In WA, have all employees who want to be armed obtain and maintain a license as an armed security guard. Initial training is 8 hours with a qualification course, and it appears yearly 4 hour training and qualifications to ensure skills are retained. I know this is hardly anything, but in reality, law enforcement firearms training is barely more than this. I'd bet other states have similar requirements for armed security professions.

We could also pay to have law enforcement in our schools, at a cost of about $100k per officer. That is pretty expensive over time. An alternative would be to retrofit our schools with electronic locks on all doors and surveillance cameras. All could be linked to either a secure room at the school, or an off-site monitoring center where a shooter could be remotely locked into a hallway until police arrival. This would initially be high cost, but staffing cost would be significantly lower than $100k+ per school.

Just my $0.02

 

[mkwerx]

Multilayered security.

Start off with limiting access with one way, automatic closing, alarmed doors for most exits. Limited entry points.

Metal detectors at all entry points, staffed by two faculty, security, or admin personnel when kids are arriving to school. They get lots of in-service trainings, lets add one more to learn basic security proceedures.

After school is in session, visitor entry is by buzzer controlled access through the main entrance only, no exceptions. Visitors pass through metal detectors on way in, staffed by security. Key card access for faculty/staff at all exterior entrances. CHL holders may enter armed, but must show ID/valid CHL upon entry.

School security shall all be licenced, trained, armed security professionals with physical fitness standards, regular training sessions, and at least quarterly quals.

Allow staff and faculty with a CHL to carry concealed. Require them to train with the security team once per quarter and qualify twice a year.

Annual advanced first aid - covering first aid for traumas/gun shots/stabs, use of a tornequet, chest seal, etc. A trauma kit in every class room with half a dozen tornequets, chest seals, combat gauze etc.

Publicize the fact that teachers and security are armed and will fight back. STOP giving publicity to the shooters. Don't release names, body counts, or glory-stats in the media.

Don't give these turds fame.

Allow school funding to go with the student and allow parents to elect private or charter schools, or schools in other districts. Private schools I have been to take security more serious than public institutions.

Start holding kids accountable for behavior in school, but do away with zero tolerance BS. Don't punish a child for defending themselves or playing make believe cowboys and injuns, but come down like the fury of God on kids assaulting others, or making credible threats of violence.

Stop teaching the victim mentality to every child and encourage them to stand up for themselves and others, and reward such behaviors.

Theres more to it, but this would be a good start, and would not require wasting police resources on school duty. DARE is a failure, and SROs would be better utilized elsewhere in the community. SRO jobs are cush gigs for old guys, turds, and cops that generally suck at being cops. A motivated, professional cop not afraid to fight or get dirty would get bored in school. Just like full time PIO gigs - its where bad cops, old cops, or injured can go and still have a badge and authoritay without being real cops. Its a waste of money and effort. Schools could have two or even three security guards for the price of one cop in most places. More if they allow parents to become volunteer security personnel.

 

[Caveman Jim]

Abolish ALL gun free zones!!! Nuff said.

 

[L84Cabo]

It should also go without saying, that there should be gunshot trauma kits in every classroom and the fact that there currently isn't is nuts. Every student, faculty, and administrator from fourth grade on up should be trained in basic first aid for gunshot trauma. Make it part of the biology curriculum from fourth grade on and they cover that module in the first two weeks of each new school year. Even if we do nothing else this would likely save some lives.

 

[EPS]

Multilayered security.

Start off with limiting access with one way, automatic closing, alarmed doors for most exits. Limited entry points.

Metal detectors at all entry points, staffed by two faculty, security, or admin personnel when kids are arriving to school. They get lots of in-service trainings, lets add one more to learn basic security proceedures.

After school is in session, visitor entry is by buzzer controlled access through the main entrance only, no exceptions. Visitors pass through metal detectors on way in, staffed by security. Key card access for faculty/staff at all exterior entrances. CHL holders may enter armed, but must show ID/valid CHL upon entry.

School security shall all be licenced, trained, armed security professionals with physical fitness standards, regular training sessions, and at least quarterly quals.

Allow staff and faculty with a CHL to carry concealed. Require them to train with the security team once per quarter and qualify twice a year.

Annual advanced first aid - covering first aid for traumas/gun shots/stabs, use of a tornequet, chest seal, etc. A trauma kit in every class room with half a dozen tornequets, chest seals, combat gauze etc.

Publicize the fact that teachers and security are armed and will fight back. STOP giving publicity to the shooters. Don't release names, body counts, or glory-stats in the media.

Don't give these turds fame.

Allow school funding to go with the student and allow parents to elect private or charter schools, or schools in other districts. Private schools I have been to take security more serious than public institutions.

Start holding kids accountable for behavior in school, but do away with zero tolerance BS. Don't punish a child for defending themselves or playing make believe cowboys and injuns, but come down like the fury of God on kids assaulting others, or making credible threats of violence.

Stop teaching the victim mentality to every child and encourage them to stand up for themselves and others, and reward such behaviors.

Theres more to it, but this would be a good start, and would not require wasting police resources on school duty. DARE is a failure, and SROs would be better utilized elsewhere in the community. SRO jobs are cush gigs for old guys, turds, and cops that generally suck at being cops. A motivated, professional cop not afraid to fight or get dirty would get bored in school. Just like full time PIO gigs - its where bad cops, old cops, or injured can go and still have a badge and authoritay without being real cops. Its a waste of money and effort. Schools could have two or even three security guards for the price of one cop in most places. More if they allow parents to become volunteer security personnel.

Yep this B.S. OF 6 8 10 DOORS into a school is just insane 1 or 2 ways in both with a gaurd STUDENTS must have a vaild school I'd badge NO BADGE NO ENTRY .of course there has to be fire doors but there is alarm systems for doors only open from inside if the door is open the alarm goes off .put a camera by every door .
Have a whole school meeting tell the kids IF YOU OPEN ONE OF THE DOORS AND THE ALARM GO'S OFF.and you are on camera surveillance doing it . UNLESS THERE IS A FIRE .
YOUR SUSPENDED UNTIL YOUR MOM AND DAD COME AND TALK TO THE PRINCIPAL ANd THE POLICE CHIEF .and I don't care if your dad works in freaking NEW ZEALAND . Your kid opened the back door and put the whole school in danger .so he can't come back to school until both parents get the message .
Of course if one is no longer living .that could be made up for by whom ever is on the emergency contact info

 

[E4mafia]

Opening with I DO AGREE WITH YOU

Multilayered security.

Start off with limiting access with one way, automatic closing, alarmed doors for most exits. Limited entry points.

Metal detectors at all entry points, staffed by two faculty, security, or admin personnel when kids are arriving to school. They get lots of in-service trainings, lets add one more to learn basic security proceedures.

After school is in session, visitor entry is by buzzer controlled access through the main entrance only, no exceptions. Visitors pass through metal detectors on way in, staffed by security. Key card access for faculty/staff at all exterior entrances. CHL holders may enter armed, but must show ID/valid CHL upon entry.

I would like to add from working experience, While this does sound amazing and I do agree we need better features in our schools the one problem, and i have heard this talking with others is both the cost associated with this and opposite of "turning schools into prisons". On my working experience side I would like to input that access control and dealing with the general public is a very rough area to navigate both behind the systems controlling and being the person on ground. Lots of moving parts and communication is critical along with redundancy otherwise slip ups and mistakes can easily happen.

School security shall all be licenced, trained, armed security professionals with physical fitness standards, regular training sessions, and at least quarterly quals.

Agree, most professions require this private and state/federal for accountability.

Allow staff and faculty with a CHL to carry concealed. Require them to train with the security team once per quarter and qualify twice a year.

Agree. But, also should be kept at a personal respectable level if the person does not feel comfortable with doing so. Not everyones built for taking on huge responsibility.

Annual advanced first aid - covering first aid for traumas/gun shots/stabs, use of a tornequet, chest seal, etc. A trauma kit in every class room with half a dozen tornequets, chest seals, combat gauze etc.

Add this to curriculum as well to help advance students hands on learning abilities and passion interest, maybe?

Publicize the fact that teachers and security are armed and will fight back. STOP giving publicity to the shooters. Don't release names, body counts, or glory-stats in the media.

Don't give these turds fame.

Allow school funding to go with the student and allow parents to elect private or charter schools, or schools in other districts. Private schools I have been to take security more serious than public institutions.

Start holding kids accountable for behavior in school, but do away with zero tolerance BS. Don't punish a child for defending themselves or playing make believe cowboys and injuns, but come down like the fury of God on kids assaulting others, or making credible threats of violence.

Stop teaching the victim mentality to every child and encourage them to stand up for themselves and others, and reward such behaviors.

Theres more to it, but this would be a good start, and would not require wasting police resources on school duty. DARE is a failure, and SROs would be better utilized elsewhere in the community. SRO jobs are cush gigs for old guys, turds, and cops that generally suck at being cops. A motivated, professional cop not afraid to fight or get dirty would get bored in school. Just like full time PIO gigs - its where bad cops, old cops, or injured can go and still have a badge and authoritay without being real cops. Its a waste of money and effort. Schools could have two or even three security guards for the price of one cop in most places. More if they allow parents to become volunteer security personnel.

The only other worry I have with this (though I DO LARGELY AGREE WITH YOU) is that how would it all be funded or introduced without much red tape in a political arena or along the lines of tax at state level?

I know schools in my area have been hiring for over night roaming guards to bounce between each location within a limit. As do I know from my old days we had a couple guards on staff thru the entire semester, my only concern is adequate training and man power being supplied to ensure proper 24/7 coverage and that too costs a pretty penny along with adding in electrical/mechanical/bio metrics into access control features.

Access control is only as good as the one operating it, much like anything else in life Guns, Cars etc....

 

[mkwerx]

Access control is typically a pain, even in prisons buuut its not too hard if you limit points of entry. I did that once upon a time for high tech facilities, along with doing armed security work. Couple different gigs included aftet hours patrols of schools, David-Douglas and Hillsboro both used to, at least, hire armed security patrols after hours and at night. Always seemed retarded to me, they were willing to protect the buildings and material schitt within with armed guards, but not the kids during class times.

I don't think we need to build walls and make schools into prisons. Escape from the inside should be super easy, windows, alarmed emergency doors. Getting in should be next to impossible, without a key card, or being let in by access control. My kid's elementary school already does this. I can't get passed the first set of doors, or even into the office without being buzzed in. They don't control access during the morning as kids arrive though. We walk through the neighborhood and drop him off at the playground before class, they have teachers/staff monitoring the playground, but they are basically making sure the kids are playing safely and everyone gets in when the first bell rings. They don't ever interact with parents, and I've never been challenged. Pickup time, kids who walk get released at the playground, and they DO control access at that time. Beefing up security would not take much there, they already use key cards for classroom / building access.

As for paying for it - cut entitlements, reign in pork spending and make the damn pols put OUR money where their mouth is when they spout about children's safety. Cut unneeded admin positions - deputy superintendant positions are unnecessary. If THEY are needed, the sulerintendant is not. Redundancy is bad when it comes to government jobs. One mid or high level manager would cost as much or more than 3 to 6 security professionals. Start the security guards at $18 / hr. The $100+ k a year managers can get das boot.

If after they slash unnecessary spending, there is a shortfall, we can talk about a levy or tax increase. Only after they cut the fat though.

It is not going to be easy for anyone, but its entirely doable. Even if we phase it in - trauma kits in every classroom. Annual training as @L84Cabo suggested for students and staff in first aid, including gunshot wounds.

What we are doing now to protect our kids and communities is not enough. I think volunteer security forces would be fairly easy to fill as well, especially if it were opened to non parents. Lots of retired cops, vets, and just good people would no doubt step up.

 

[E4mafia]

Access control is typically a pain, even in prisons buuut its not too hard if you limit points of entry. I did that once upon a time for high tech facilities, along with doing armed security work. Couple different gigs included aftet hours patrols of schools, David-Douglas and Hillsboro both used to, at least, hire armed security patrols after hours and at night. Always seemed retarded to me, they were willing to protect the buildings and material schitt within with armed guards, but not the kids during class times.

I don't think we need to build walls and make schools into prisons. Escape from the inside should be super easy, windows, alarmed emergency doors. Getting in should be next to impossible, without a key card, or being let in by access control. My kid's elementary school already does this. I can't get passed the first set of doors, or even into the office without being buzzed in. They don't control access during the morning as kids arrive though. We walk through the neighborhood and drop him off at the playground before class, they have teachers/staff monitoring the playground, but they are basically making sure the kids are playing safely and everyone gets in when the first bell rings. They don't ever interact with parents, and I've never been challenged. Pickup time, kids who walk get released at the playground, and they DO control access at that time. Beefing up security would not take much there, they already use key cards for classroom / building access.

As for paying for it - cut entitlements, reign in pork spending and make the damn pols put OUR money where their mouth is when they spout about children's safety. Cut unneeded admin positions - deputy superintendant positions are unnecessary. If THEY are needed, the sulerintendant is not. Redundancy is bad when it comes to government jobs. One mid or high level manager would cost as much or more than 3 to 6 security professionals. Start the security guards at $18 / hr. The $100+ k a year managers can get das boot.

If after they slash unnecessary spending, there is a shortfall, we can talk about a levy or tax increase. Only after they cut the fat though.

It is not going to be easy for anyone, but its entirely doable. Even if we phase it in - trauma kits in every classroom. Annual training as @L84Cabo suggested for students and staff in first aid, including gunshot wounds.

What we are doing now to protect our kids and communities is not enough. I think volunteer security forces would be fairly easy to fill as well, especially if it were opened to non parents. Lots of retired cops, vets, and just good people would no doubt step up.

I agree 100% with reduce and cut the fat out then work on further prospects and adherence. Also thank you for the input from a parents perspective and being on ground doing the diligence.

Always wondered why they considered over night security to be more plausible than during peak activity during the M-F 9 to 5 daily routine. I get vandalism needs to be kept minimal but it seems like a gross oversight compared to the meat and potatoes of a future generation. $18 an hour is specifically what i've seen offered for the over night roaming guards tho I do not know if it specifies if they are armed. Generally assume just a basic rent-a-cop cruiser walking a beat.

As for volunteer, I have a great article to support that claim and doubly agree it would also help with Veteran turn around transitions with applicable jobs coming back into the market from ETS. After Sandy Hook, Marine Father Stands Guard At Nashville Elementary School [Video] VERY RELATED.

I know I have brought this up before but I haven't really seen any clear answer or sourced material about local state public schools having a similar function to the Clery Act (which is primarily only for higher education such as universities and college) and it seems like something that would be a BIG benefit to the local communities.

 

[Colts4me]

We could stop them Monday if we wanted and if we tried there would be damn few killings in school. It's simple really, quit producing killers in school and all those allready made pull them out and get them help. How many times do you hear "copycat killer"? They are just a part of the same mold that was created by the school system.

No amount of security will protect the kids if a killer is set to kill. Guard the schools and he will kill at a bus stop, guard the bus stop and he will kill at a dance or sport event. The killer is the end product of they social culture of the schools. Many more kids are going to die because nobody listens, they dont' want to fix it I guess.

 

[EPS]

Money is not the PROBLEM we have the money it's just the city or county or the Government decide they would rather spend the money on USELESS p.o.s. drug addicts the city of Seattle has spent billions of dollars on homeless useless drug addict garbage .
I'm done until they decide to put the money we give them to good use I'm out I'm sorry F@#$& THESE LIBATARDS AND THERE LEAGAL DRUG B.S.

 

[EPS]

Well when I stand in line at a Safeway and listen to some loud mouth B##$_&- TALK ON HER 850 DOLLAR IPHONE AND THEN PAY FOR HER BASKIT FULL OF FOOD WITH A ibt card or a OREGON TRAIL CARD F@#$&+ that don't tell me they don't have the money

 

[FA9]

Armed security.