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History of the earth, what you really need to prepare for

GWS

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It debunks the narrative the liberals push that man is causing climate change and destroying the earth.

We may be destroying resources and our own health.

But they have scientific proof that ice ages have come and gone for millions of years, and there have been periods where we have had far less glaciers. Were still technically in an ice age. So the melting glaciers are normal.

The earth’s axis has a wobble to it and it changes in degrees weather shifts and you will see climates change in areas.
It goes through a dramatic shift and then goes back. The earth’s tilt changes 1 degree ever 70 years.

So it takes several lifetimes to see the dramatic shift.

By the computers models of their global warming the world should have been destroyed by now, and they just keep extending the date.
They make billions off from their climate change BS.
Yet they have no solutions.

You cannot change what mother nature will do, and you can’t reversed the changes she will make.
I'm not saying man is the cause of climate change. I AM hypothesizing that human activities could be accelerating the situation . I don't see how they couldn't be. People are burning rainforests in Amazonia and Africa. Humans generate extra heat and carbon dioxide 24 hours a day. This ranges from some pigmy cooking dinner over an open fire to the coal power plant that generates the electricity powering our computers and charging the electric cars of SJW's everywhere. There are something like 3.2 billion cars and trucks in operation globally. Add trains plains ships farm equipment snowmobiles and whatever else we run on fossil fuels and the factories that make everything from engines and steel to canned soup and firearms. All of these generate heat and CO2.

My point is that there has never been a time in the history of earth where the dominant species used fire and generated CO2 beyond their respiration the way we do now.
7 billion people cooking foo, smelting ore driving vehicles and more.
How could this not have an impact on the climate?
 
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I think that we humans feel we have a larger impact on things then we really do. We like to think we are so superior and all we do is important whether its building or destroying. now we do, we do both quite well, but the planet has gone through far more then anything we could ever do minus detonating every nuke we have all over the planet. Even after that, the planet will recover at some point.
If you want to see real global warming, check out the Siberian Traps.
Siberian Traps - Wikipedia
 
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I see your point, and I have no doubt your right in a way, but I don’t think it will have an baring on the environment.

If you stopped all cars, BBQs, and factories he climate would still change as fast as it always has.
Throughout time every major civilization has been destroyed by climate change.

What the current civilization has done, to your point, is create a more unsafe and hazardous environment for people.

We are poisoning the water, the air, and ourselves.

I think the rates of cancer, heart disease, mental health, etc are a direct reflection of the pollutants we created, our diet, and the lack of excerise we have.
 
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I think that we humans feel we have a larger impact on things then we really do. We like to think we are so superior and all we do is important whether its building or destroying. now we do, we do both quite well, but the planet has gone through far more then anything we could ever do minus detonating every nuke we have all over the planet. Even after that, the planet will recover at some point.
If you want to see real global warming, check out the Siberian Traps.
Siberian Traps - Wikipedia
Daaaaaaaaaang!!!!

“Earth underwent lethally hot global warming, in which equatorial ocean temperatures exceeded 40 °C (104 °F)”
 

GWS

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After 5 mass extinctions, the earth and life have indeed proven their resiliency. I wonder what the next dominant species will be .
I wonder also how long it will take us to colonize other planets and systems. I hope I see it in my lifetime.
 
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Not likely, we have strayed too far away from humanity.
Everybody against everybody,

Can you imagine what the human race could accomplish if all the most powerful nations pooled their brains and money for a collective cause?!
 
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yeah, be a hell of a time to live :eek:
Guess a volcanic eruption that last 2 million years will do that though.:eek:
Some scientist and historians are starting to think that this is why were are finding all these cave drawings and evidence humans lived so far underground in in early history.

Whether is was to escape solar flares/radiation, or from catastrophic disasters.
That may have been how they were able to live though such events.

So maybe buying that old missile silo is a good idea!
 

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There is a growing theory that revolves around "Lost History" in that we have had starts and stops with large gaps in between, and entire segments of our human existence has been lost, perhaps forever! Many people far smarter then me have pointed out that Human history doesn't follow the earth's history, especially within the same span of actual time! There are many possible explanations, but one things stands out, Human history hasn't/doesn't follow timelines like we think!
 

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Consider how fast technology has advanced in the last 150 years..
We have perhaps 5000 years of recorded history, yet modern man has been around for over 200,000 years. It would appear there was enough time for couple civilizations to rise up, nuke themselves into oblivion and start all over again.
 
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My gut reaction is "nonsense". As with any claim, those making the claim bear the burden of evidence to support that claim. period. That's how real science, as opposed to pseudo-science works. "could be" is not evidence. what you "wish" or "feel good about" is not evidence.
Evidence is observed, documented, follows process steps that can be duplicated, and is peer reviewed.

There is no "hiding" facts that doesn't fit a narrative". that's paranoid, childish and false. Real "facts" don't change based on what party you vote for. That's the difference between opinion and fact. Automatically discounting everything someone says because the don't wear the same voter color is tribal, ignorant and dangerous. This country is suffering from lack of critical thinking skills.

I know some of you have a distaste for Joe Rogan, but this is an amazing podcast with Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock.

It takes some time, 3hrs, but well worth it.

 

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Humans will do what humans do. Population growth will outpace the planets natural resources and humans will die on this rock in mass at some point. We need to put more time, energy and money into finding another rock to settle on. :eek: I hope the hunting is good on the next one. :cool:
 

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I'm not saying man is the cause of climate change. I AM hypothesizing that human activities could be accelerating the situation . I don't see how they couldn't be. People are burning rainforests in Amazonia and Africa. Humans generate extra heat and carbon dioxide 24 hours a day. This ranges from some pigmy cooking dinner over an open fire to the coal power plant that generates the electricity powering our computers and charging the electric cars of SJW's everywhere. There are something like 3.2 billion cars and trucks in operation globally. Add trains plains ships farm equipment snowmobiles and whatever else we run on fossil fuels and the factories that make everything from engines and steel to canned soup and firearms. All of these generate heat and CO2.

My point is that there has never been a time in the history of earth where the dominant species used fire and generated CO2 beyond their respiration the way we do now.
7 billion people cooking foo, smelting ore driving vehicles and more.
How could this not have an impact on the climate?
Come on, man.. remember when we threw them peeps in that volcano a ways back? We're good!
 

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Some folks asked for a summary of the 3-hr video. I'll try. Along with a summary of relevant fields.

First, the video is 3 years old. The field of the cause of the Younger Dryas extinction event is moving so fast with such massive amounts of new data produced each year that if your info is 3 years old you are missing probably more than 90% of the info.

Half to two thirds of the video simply shows photos and exclaims in amazement over the evidence of massive floods associated with the meltdowns of the last great North American glaciers. They make it sound like scientists are stubbornly resisting this interpretation that there were floods with waters a thousand feet deep that completely rearranged the landscape. Everybody has accepted this for many decades. As I look out my window I see a ridge a couple hundred feet high left by the Missoula floods. That's a ripple made of soil and rock from Eastern Washington left here in Willamette valley by those floods. I learned that when I moved here 30 years ago. It was universally accepted then.

Scientists often don't accept the first report or two or a few announcing something that doesnt fit the current paradigms 'cause usually such reports are wrong. I'm reminded of the response of the great SF writer Theodore Sturgeon when asked why 90% of science fiction is cr@p. "The reason 90% of science fiction is cr@p is because 90% of everything is cr@p" If the new finding is true, there will be additionally studies, often from different fields that confirm and extend the new finding.

The cause of the Younger Dryas extinction event that happened 11,800 years ago was still controversial and much argued 3 years ago when the video was made. But much has happened since. There have been lots of studies from all over the world showing a layer of fractured quartz, nano-diamonds, and ash representing that event. Many studies, some reported in major science journals and including 20 or 30 authors representing dozens of fields and all the major institutions. Studies that allow estimating the mass of the objects or objects that hit Earth as well as severity and extent of fires. The consensus is there was an asteroid or comet impact followed by fires that burned most of the biomass on earth. And of course it would have melted much of the glaciers in the North America almost instantly causing massive floods.

This last year, using ground penetrating radar, a large impact crater has been found under a glacier in Greenland. It appears to date to about the right time. Those in the field are envisioning a comet that fractured in the Earth's atmosphere or earlier, and bombarded us with multiple fragments, causing fires and releasing more energy than all our nuclear arsenals set off at once. (The Greenland crater isnt big enough to account for the layer of debris. One possibility is a comet, and comets often fragment as they enter a gravitational field, as Shoemaker Levy did. Fragments wouldnt necessarily make big craters. Especially if they fell on glaciers.)

As for "advanced" civilizations existing and being wiped out by the event...my own opinion-- It looks to me like there were people who knew how to build megaliths and the first permenent settlements about 5,000 years earlier than we thought who might have been wiped out or set back by the 11,800 Event. Some people call these advanced civilizations claiming that they had to have sophisticated astronomy to align such things the way they did. But all it takes to line something up with true directions is figuring out that there was one star or section of sky that stayed fixed in position with the others turning around it, as is true for Polaris in the n hemisphere today. My guess is just about everyone figured that out pretty early.

People apparently did start making both megaliths, permanent settlements, and probably the sphinx a few thousand years earlier than we thought. We were guessing based upon knowing pretty accurately when agriculture started, and assuming that permanent settlements would require and come after ag. I never believed that, since native Americans along the Columbia had permanent settlements with no ag. All you need is a place with rich enough resources to support a permanent population. Or control of trade routes. Or other resources. And indeed, its now becoming clear that permenent settlements can come before ag. We were also assuming that only a permanent settlement would build megaliths or other monumental structures. And that's apparently wrong too. Apparently hunter-gatherers built some. And so some but not all are a few thousand years earlier than we thought. Thats what ya get for making assumptions.

I don't know of any evidence that earth has ever had civilizations as advanced as ours or anywhere near that got wiped out. And I think it is the idea of civilizations as advanced or more advanced than ours that is what the video was implying. Civilizations that got wiped out entirely.

There have been other serious disasters. An Indonesian volcano that blew up in about 550 and caused such cold that trees the world over did not grow for two or three years. (Data from tree rings worldwide.) There are confirming historical records in China where people said the sun shone for only 4 hours a day, and was pale and red and gave no heat. Human populations crashed worldwide. Agricultural crops all failed worldwide. Disease epidemics followed. But there is plenty of archeology before and after. And no signs of some magnificantly advanced civilization that got wiped out.

Something major happened about 1180 BC. I havent been able to find out much. A lot of mediterranean civilizations collapsed then.

Then there was the close call 73,000 years ago when the volcano Toba blew up. All modern humans are descendants of people who lived in E Africa then, and we nearly went extinct. We went from a population of millions down to a remnant of perhaps as few as 5,000 breeding pairs. No evidence of sophisticated advanced civilizations before then that got wiped out when most modern humans did.

The extinction events that were so large they razed the earth enough so as to destroy all signs of a civilization more advanced than ours, had it existed, are ones that happened before the last one 65 million years ago, before mammals evolved. And even that one, the one that killed the dinosaurs, didnt wipe the earth clean. We have lots of fossils from before and after. If there were an advanced civilization that had been wiped out along with the dinosaurs, I think we would have evidence of it.

The universe is a way more dangerous place than we used to think it was, however. If ya wanna worry about something to prep for that's a bit more manageable than a comet, consider that we in the NW have mega 9 earthquakes at the rate of 2 or 3 per thousand years, and we are overdue.
 
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Come on, man.. remember when we threw them peeps in that volcano a ways back? We're good!

Bring it! I got a pantry fulla canned peaches and a stack of old school porn... I just gotta get the good pages unstuck from each other.... it’ll take time, I’m going blind and I can hardly grip anything..... good thing I rarely leave the house.






:D;)
 

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What does a volcanic eruption occurring 200 years ago in a pre-industrialized world have to do with human assisted global warming or climate change or whatever they are calling it today?
A volcanic ash plume blocked enough sunlight to effectively cool the earth for a couple years. That has probably happened many times in the history of Earth but I don't see what that has to do with mankind's unique ability to generate tremendous amounts of heat and CO2 beyond his own biological processes.
 

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