Hi-Points In General

[Alexx1401]

What I will say about Hi Points is that if I were ever in the market for an inexpensive, pot-metal, blowback action weapon with a heavy slide and a low capacity magazine, I would absolutely choose a Hi Point over a Davis, Lorcin, Jennings, Raven or Bryco. The Hi Points are superior to the "ring of fire" guns in terms of quality and lifetime warranty. But I am at a point in life now where I choose quality over quantity. My gun collection may be relatively small compared to others, but it does not include anything made by Hi Point, Kel Tec, Taurus, or any other "budget" brand.

The operative word there is "collection". You have guns. I try to tell those running with hair on fire over HP's.You are going to be hard pressed to find someone "collecting" them. I would guess the vast majority of the legal sales of them are someone who has no gun and not much cash.
As for "budget brands" Taurus and Kel-Tec also get get a lot of people running around with hair on fire. I have 2 of the S2K's. Even during the panic I would not let go of them since they were so hard to get in the first place. I did not buy these because they were $300 when I bought them. That did of course help. I bought them because after trying one I wanted one bad. If someone who sells guns for 3 times that much made one that was this light, small and foldedable? No doubt I would have bought one. This is one place Glock has always surprised me. Of my 5 PCC's right now 4 of them use Glock mags. I have no use for Glock pistols but sure like the PCC's taking their mags. I have long been surprised that Glock never got into the PCC game. If they did no doubt they would make a very nice one. Also no doubt they would sell for a lot more than KT's and no doubt they would sell very well.

 

[etrain16]

What's really interesting to me is that there are 2 active threads on Hi-Points on this forum at the moment

 

[etrain16]

The operative word there is "collection". You have guns. I try to tell those running with hair on fire over HP's.You are going to be hard pressed to find someone "collecting" them. I would guess the vast majority of the legal sales of them are someone who has no gun and not much cash.
As for "budget brands" Taurus and Kel-Tec also get get a lot of people running around with hair on fire. I have 2 of the S2K's. Even during the panic I would not let go of them since they were so hard to get in the first place. I did not buy these because they were $300 when I bought them. That did of course help. I bought them because after trying one I wanted one bad. If someone who sells guns for 3 times that much made one that was this light, small and foldedable? No doubt I would have bought one. This is one place Glock has always surprised me. Of my 5 PCC's right now 4 of them use Glock mags. I have no use for Glock pistols but sure like the PCC's taking their mags. I have long been surprised that Glock never got into the PCC game. If they did no doubt they would make a very nice one. Also no doubt they would sell for a lot more than KT's and no doubt they would sell very well.

Wouldn't it be interesting if Glock would put out a PCC?

 

[Alexx1401]

If weight and recoil are an issue for the OP's wife, a better choice for home defense might be a youth model 20-gauge shotgun by Remington or Mossberg. Compared to the Hi Point carbine they are better quality, far more effective in terms of close range stopping power, and can use low brass birdshot for light recoil target practice/weapon familiarity and buckshot or slugs for home defense. All in the same price range as a Hi Point carbine.

Not sure who was the OP or what they said but people have to understand recoil sensitivity is VERY subjective. When I met Wife she had shot nothing. Learned with a .22 first. Loved it. Next came hand gun. Best I could find was .38 with mid range loads. Those old Nyclads were the sweet spot. Tried a 12GA and it was one shot and that was it. Borrowed a 20 thinking this would work. Again made it 2 shots no go. I could "force her to have one" for all the good that would do. Now after I bought a 9mm PCC and it too was too much for her. Bought another that uses an AR stock and she found something she loves. Been a long time since I shot a HP rifle but I suspect it would work for her too. As for "effective" I was shocked when I found out what some 9mm does in a 16" tube. It turns in .357 mag performance. So with a carbine that has very low recoil you get a 10 shot .357. One that almost anyone can put several rounds on target as fast as they can squeeze the trigger. FAR from something I would think of as even marginally effective.

 

[Alexx1401]

Wouldn't it be interesting if Glock would put out a PCC?

I have been saying that since I first bought a PCC that used their mags. Light since it used a lot of Polymer, great that it used an easy to find mag. Even many big time Glock fan boys said the same thing. Why have they not made a PCC. I for a long time was close to buying a Glock or 2 just to put a Mech-Tech on them. Was going back and forth from wanting a 9mm, 45, or 10mm Glock Mech-Tech combo. Actually I wanted all damn 3. Problem was I hated the idea of buying the pistol just for the frame. I bought my first Mech-Tech soon after they hit the market. It was not long at all before they started offering them for Glock and they sell very well. Glock would have a huge hit if they jumped into this market.

 

[SparksFly]

No disrespect intended here, but if I were going to rely on a handgun for personal defense in the woods while bowhunting for bear, I would want something MUCH bigger than a .380 and MUCH higher quality and lighter weight than a Hi Point.

I am out of the .45 stage and am now looking at a 9mm. My bow will be plenty of power but I don't want to spend a few hundred bucks on a pistol while I am saving for a rifle. Just something that will fire a bullet.

 

[bbbass]

I have thought about getting a .380 or a .45 as a sidearm for my archery bear hunt this year.

Wha?

Go magnum or 10mm or stay home!!!

 

[bbbass]

I feel the same way about the previous first lady but I'll wager she is perfectly "functional!"

Sheldon

I'll bet NOT! Let's get those kids a DNA test.

 

[bbbass]

What I will say about Hi Points is that if I were ever in the market for an inexpensive, pot-metal,.

Pot metal? As far as the pistols go, your being a bit liberal with your teminology, yes?

 

[DeanMk]

I agree, we should arm our police with Hi Point

...as we should our military, too.


Dean

 

[etrain16]

I have been saying that since I first bought a PCC that used their mags. Light since it used a lot of Polymer, great that it used an easy to find mag. Even many big time Glock fan boys said the same thing. Why have they not made a PCC. I for a long time was close to buying a Glock or 2 just to put a Mech-Tech on them. Was going back and forth from wanting a 9mm, 45, or 10mm Glock Mech-Tech combo. Actually I wanted all damn 3. Problem was I hated the idea of buying the pistol just for the frame. I bought my first Mech-Tech soon after they hit the market. It was not long at all before they started offering them for Glock and they sell very well. Glock would have a huge hit if they jumped into this market.

If all you need are the lowers, say for the Mech-Tech uppers, you can buy them separately - I've bought several lowers only myself for various projects. I've used Lucas Tactical several times for complete lowers. He carries them in Gen 3 and Gen 4, but you may want to call him to confirm what he actually has in stock at any particular time. He's a one-man operation, but I've done business with him a number of times and I'm happy to recommend him. It's about $225 + shipping + your FFL fee for a lower - so definitely less than buying a full gun. May be worth it if you want one dedicated for your Mech Tech upper.

Here is his website: Lucas Tactical :: Complete Lower Receivers

As for why Glock isn't building PCC's - I can only guess that they simply aren't interested in that market. They do a lot of LE and military and I don't know that there is much call for PCC's in those applications. That said, I'd be willing to bet the civilian market would do well for them if they gave it a go.

 

[Boboclown]

...as we should our military, too.


Dean

We'll make our enemies laugh at us to death.

 

[DeanMk]

Bobo,

Are/Were you an owner?
What problems have you endured with this sidearm to make you think its not a legitimate sidearm?
If there are legitimate issues with this gun, let's hear about it.


Dean

 

[Boboclown]

Bobo,

Are/Were you an owner?
What problems have you endured with this sidearm to make you think its not a legitimate sidearm?
If there are legitimate issues with this gun, let's hear about it.


Dean

Never owned one myself. They just feel real cheap to me, but was just poking fun at what is normally thought of them.

 

[Alexx1401]

If all you need are the lowers, say for the Mech-Tech uppers, you can buy them separately - I've bought several lowers only myself for various projects. I've used Lucas Tactical several times for complete lowers. He carries them in Gen 3 and Gen 4, but you may want to call him to confirm what he actually has in stock at any particular time. He's a one-man operation, but I've done business with him a number of times and I'm happy to recommend him. It's about $225 + shipping + your FFL fee for a lower - so definitely less than buying a full gun. May be worth it if you want one dedicated for your Mech Tech upper.

Here is his website: Lucas Tactical :: Complete Lower Receivers

As for why Glock isn't building PCC's - I can only guess that they simply aren't interested in that market. They do a lot of LE and military and I don't know that there is much call for PCC's in those applications. That said, I'd be willing to bet the civilian market would do well for them if they gave it a go.

By the time I found out about the places to buy just a frame I had discovered The S2K's or I have no doubt I would have bought probably a couple of them. REALLY liked the idea of a 10mm Glock frame to match up to a 10mm MT upper. Since I now have what I need for this in another form that will fill that need for me. Still do love my one MT upper I have. It is just too much damn fun to play with. The guy who sold you one here tells me he already misses his now. I told him well you should't have sold it then.
As for Glock I always assumed as you that they just were not interested. They obviously have enough market share that they just don't care. Damn if they could not make a hell of a splash though with a carbine.

 

[soberups]

Pot metal? As far as the pistols go, your being a bit liberal with your teminology, yes?

Hi Point slides are made of ZAMAK-3 which is a cast zinc alloy of the type commonly referred to as "pot metal". So no, not being liberal, just factual.

 

[jsparks747]

...as we should our military, too.


Dean

No... They will need the carbines

 

[Alexx1401]

Pot metal? As far as the pistols go, your being a bit liberal with your teminology, yes?

That alloy had that name LONG before the left started using it as a derogatory term. the stuff was originally made to cast parts with. As with many things like "stainless steel" or "aluminum" The term comes to be used for a WIDE variety of alloys made for different parts people wanted to be able to easily cast. Left did not want to try to make the term Zinc alloy mean something bad so they just kept repeating pot metal. Most people had no idea what the term was actually for.

 

[bbbass]

Hi Point slides are made of ZAMAK-3 which is a cast zinc alloy of the type commonly referred to as "pot metal". So no, not being liberal, just factual.

You took liberal in the political sense? Not how I meant it. Liberal as in generously applied. The lower is made from high-impact polymer, not pot metal.

The firearm itself has a lifetime warranty, and the company has documented torture tests that the pistol has passed. I get that you don't like it. It's an economy pistol. Not everybody's cup of tea.

I also own 3 Taurus firearms that I have never had an mechanical issue with, and the fit and finish is excellent. Quality seems to come and go thru many manufacturers history. Same thing happened at Para, Colt, etc.

 

[billdeserthills]

I am amused by people who fault Hi-Points because they aren't pretty.
I feel the same way about the previous first lady but I'll wager she is perfectly "functional!"

Sheldon

I heard obama's ol' lady actually comes with some extras