Guy just shoots off in the front yard

[RX-79G]

It is more than that when you factor in the:

None. However, the Department of Public Safety is tasked with assisting private sellers who prefer to conduct a background check on prospective buyers.

Types.

Plus the states that have background checks for only certain types of guns.

 

[Koda]

Im guessing this shooting will put private transfers on the Texas radar next session....

 

[titsonritz]

Plus the states that have background checks for only certain types of guns.

Yep, several don't require one a long gun but do on a handgun, for example.

 

[Knobgoblin]

 

[titsonritz]

Im guessing this shooting will put private transfers on the Texas radar next session....

It was still an illegal purchase/sale per

Tex. Penal Code § 46.06(a): May not knowingly transfer firearms to anyone intending to use it unlawfully; a child under 18 (without parent or guardian's permission); or an intoxicated person.

 

[RX-79G]

Im guessing this shooting will put private transfers on the Texas radar next session....

I don't think you get the Texas experience.

 

[Koda]

It was still an illegal purchase/sale per

Tex. Penal Code § 46.06(a): May not knowingly transfer firearms to anyone intending to use it unlawfully; a child under 18 (without parent or guardian's permission); or an intoxicated person.

I doubt the seller knew the guy was going to kill people with it.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

I doubt the seller knew the guy was going to kill people with it.

Or use it while intoxicated

 

[titsonritz]

I doubt the seller knew the guy was going to kill people with it.

Sorry, I C&P the wrong thing...

Under the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, you cannot have a gun for personal or business use if you:

Were convicted of a crime punishable by being in prison for more than one year;
Are a fugitive from justice;
Are addicted to, or illegally use, any controlled substance;
Have been ruled mentally defective by a court or are committed to a mental institution;
Are an illegal alien living in the United States unlawfully;
Received a dishonorable discharge from the U.S. Armed Forces;
Renounced your U.S. citizenship, if you are a U.S. citizen;
Are subject to a court restraining order that involves your 'intimate partner,' your partner's child, or children; or
Were convicted of domestic violence in any court of a misdemeanor.

 

[Koda]

Are an illegal alien living in the United States unlawfully;

yeah, Before anyone can argue a BGC would have prevented this they would have to reject the idea that legal immigration policies would have too.

 

[American123]

Or immigration status has nothing to do with a mass shooting, except to someone who hates immigrants.

What a typical outlandish statement. You don't have to hate immigrants to desire the most basic immigration laws we have to be enforced.

It does matter when you account for someone who shouldn't be in this country commits crimes that should have never happened, entirely preventable if they weren't here.

 

[American123]

The violent crime rate in Texas:
213 per 100k for US born
185 per 100k for legal immigrants
96 per 100k for illegal immigrants

So you admit that there is crime that could be prevented by restricting the illegal immigration into the US…, looking at the numbers you provided, looks like crime would drop by about 20% - that's huge.

 

[RVTECH]

What a typical outlandish statement. You don't have to hate immigrants to desire the most basic immigration laws we have to be enforced.

Exactly! But unfortunately the bleeding heart libs have been 'conditioned' to believe immigrants are a downtrodden, abused group in general and believe 'immigration' is some form of abuse and not a law and they have no regard for it.


'Hate' may be excessive but to say you dislike immigrants as a whole, or a generalized opinion is not wrong.

 

[RX-79G]

So you admit that there is crime that could be prevented by restricting the illegal immigration into the US…, looking at the numbers you provided, looks like crime would drop by about 20% - that's huge.

No, if there weren't illegals, there would be fewer total people, so the chances of being a victim of a crime goes up, not down.

It all depends if you care more about the individual risk to people or just a total number. Individual risk has more application to us. Total numbers are good for arguing on the internet.

 

[RX-79G]

Exactly! But unfortunately the bleeding heart libs have been 'conditioned' to believe immigrants are a downtrodden, abused group in general and believe 'immigration' is some form of abuse and not a law and they have no regard for it.


'Hate' may be excessive but to say you dislike immigrants as a whole, or a generalized opinion is not wrong.

No, it has nothing to do with being pro-immigration. It is just that being an immigrant, legal or not, did not cause this crime any more than the AR15 the shooter used caused the crime.

An individual person did this, not his birthplace, skin color, legal status, language or culture.


Or to put it another way, since the victims were all immigrants, you might as well say that no one would have been shot if they hadn't come to the US. That's how faulty the logic of all this is.

 

[American123]

No, if there weren't illegals, there would be fewer total people, so the chances of being a victim of a crime goes up, not down.

It all depends if you care more about the individual risk to people or just a total number. Individual risk has more application to us. Total numbers are good for arguing on the internet.

Your claim is flawed from the onset.

Here's why: if illegals are responsible for 1/5 of the crime, and they are less than 1/5 of the population, that's disproportional. That means if they weren't in society, the total amount of crime would drop by 1/5 AND the individual risk to people would also decline because it isn't proportional based on the population.

Let's use another example to help you understand this. There's a particular racial demographic in the US that is about 13% of the population, but certain members of that group are responsible for about 50% of the violent crime in the US. If that segment of the population weren't in society, violent crime would drop by the amount they commit, and because they aren't anywhere close to 50% of the population, risk to individuals would also drop.

Table 21

ucr.fbi.gov

Total numbers are relevant when compared to population percentage. Maybe you forgot

Immigrants are a group of people simply classified by 1 thing they have in common.

Illegals are another group entirely because they lack the 1 thing that legal immigrants have, the experience of going through the immigration process to legally reside in the US.

Immigrants and illegals can come from all over the world, and contribute or detract from society in different ways. They are not all the same. Not all immigrants are created equal, certain demographics have a higher propensity to contribute / detract differently/more/less than others. For example, college educated computer engineers are different than tattooed gang members.

You previously used numbers "per 100K" to compare US residents, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants crime. It's disingenuous from the start. You can't accurately compare crime per 100K because the populations are vastly disproportionate. You have to compare crime per capita compared to the whole population to truthfully represent the situation, besides, how exactly do we know how many illegal immigrants are in the US anyway?

Thomas Sowell has written, researched and discussed this topic in detail. I recommend reading up on his findings.

 

[RVTECH]

No, if there weren't illegals, there would be fewer total people, so the chances of being a victim of a crime goes up, not down.

This may be true if crime numbers were consistent 'across he board' so to speak with all races, creeds, colors etc. but it clearly is not.

One cannot deny the fact crime has increased dramatically over the last say 20 years and there is no denying illegal immigration (or invasion - what it really is) has been a major influence.

Look at the increases of cartels, drug & human trafficking that has occurred in just the last three years, but overall it has increased exponentially in say, the last 10 or so years.

Heck, I am seeing a large increase in 'non English speaking' people creeping into the little community I live in - and many don't look like they have plans to 'assimilate' at all. Quite frankly some look downright scary.

I feel considerably less safe than I did when I moved here just 18 years ago.

 

[American123]

correction

 

[RVTECH]

You previously used numbers "per 100K" to compare US residents, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants crime.

No, I didn't - that was someone else.... Check post # 37.

 

[American123]

correction