Enjoying Your AR Pistol Legally After New Brace Rules Takes Effect.

[billdeserthills]

Do the Second Amendment Sanctuary laws exempt FFLs in those States from following Fed regulations?

As long as I get to keep my AR pistols with braces, I could really care less about FFL's

 

[billdeserthills]

Truth is Second Amendment Sanctuary laws do nothing and are just another form of virtue signaling
*Might* that change over time? Sure, but today, in the time we are living in, the primacy clause, Article VI, Paragraph 2, still applies.

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

Never heard of Sanctuary Cities, I take it?

 

[Tri-CitiesJohn]

SBR them and be done...........it's $ and a pain, but worth it in the long run to me.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Never heard of Sanctuary Cities, I take it?

So tell me, what does being a "Sanctuary City" mean? Is it:

A: Federal Laws do not apply
B: Federal Laws apply but local LEO will never actively assist Fed LEO on "Sanctuary" issues
C: Federal Laws apply and local LEO's will block Fed LEO's from enforcing fed Laws regarding "Sanctuary" issues
or
D: In actual practice they mean bubkis and are only a PR stunt and voter enticement


While you are pondering that, here are some stories to kill some time

California Is a Sanctuary State, But Some Police Aren't Following the Law, Attorneys Say | KQED

At least a dozen complaints allege California law enforcement agencies violated the state's sanctuary law.

www.kqed.org

Departing From ‘Sanctuary Cities,’ Some Sheriffs Embrace Immigration Enforcement Role • Stateline

Sheriff Ed Gonzalez withdrew Harris County, Texas, from its 287(g) agreement with federal immigration officials, citing concerns about staffing costs. But with encouragement from the Trump administration, more sheriffs and local jails are electing to help deport unauthorized immigrants. ©...

www.pewtrusts.org

 

[mhayd93]

So tell me, what does being a "Sanctuary City" mean? Is it:

A: Federal Laws do not apply
B: Federal Laws apply but local LEO will never actively assist Fed LEO on "Sanctuary" issues
C: Federal Laws apply and local LEO's will block Fed LEO's from enforcing fed Laws regarding "Sanctuary" issues
or
D: In actual practice they mean bubkis and are only a PR stunt and voter enticement


While you are pondering that, here are some stories to kill some time

California Is a Sanctuary State, But Some Police Aren't Following the Law, Attorneys Say | KQED

At least a dozen complaints allege California law enforcement agencies violated the state's sanctuary law.

www.kqed.org

Departing From ‘Sanctuary Cities,’ Some Sheriffs Embrace Immigration Enforcement Role • Stateline

Sheriff Ed Gonzalez withdrew Harris County, Texas, from its 287(g) agreement with federal immigration officials, citing concerns about staffing costs. But with encouragement from the Trump administration, more sheriffs and local jails are electing to help deport unauthorized immigrants. ©...

www.pewtrusts.org

I actually think in this specific scenario, a Second Amendment sanctuary would have more teeth if it ever came to a court case.

Considering the primacy clause in the Constitution, it is quite a stretch that a non-elected government agency's letters and "rules" constitute an actual law (which traditionally would imply something passed by Congress).

Obviously the current status quo treats ATF rulings as though it were legislation, so it would be nice if a court case came out of a conflict between the ATF and a sanctuary city. With the current structure of the Supreme Court, I think there is a solid chance that we could see a favorable ruling that would theoretically limit the "legislative" power of government agencies, while also expanding 2A protections.

 

[Loc]

You'd like to think, but I suspect you are wrong. People like to talk tough about "ain't taking my guns" and I won't comply, but a law as simple as a Governor making an "emergency" law that makes you tell them every time you buy, sell or trade a gun, and all that goes out the window. "well its the law, gotta follow it".... If they want to come and take our guns, there will be no fight, 95% of gun owners will be first in line to turn in or get rid of anything that becomes illegal overnight.

That still leaves 5% of us...largest standing army in the world, hands down, if we could get our act together.

 

[308]

SBR them and be done...........it's $ and a pain, but worth it in the long run to me.

Not really in to back door registration and all the BS that goes with selling that now registered firearm, but hey, go for it.

 

[arakboss]

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Not really in to back door registration and all the BS that goes with selling that now registered firearm, but hey, go for it.

It's more like front door registration with an invitation. The bright side is the atf will have more funds to hire those agents they want.

 

[308]

Does the AFT have a section explaining how all those multiple thousands of legally manufactured "pistols" such as, say, the M&P 15-22 Pistol Length .22 rimfire are now going to be illegal SBRs? Not some scary ghostgunkitmadeinmomsbasement, but legally manufactured, distributed and sold to legal buyers who were APPROVED via FBI background checks to purchase said firearms?

 

[arakboss]

Does the AFT have a section explaining how all those multiple thousands of legally manufactured "pistols" such as, say, the M&P 15-22 Pistol Length .22 rimfire are now going to be illegal SBRs? Not some scary ghostgunkitmadeinmomsbasement, but legally manufactured, distributed and sold to legal buyers who were APPROVED via FBI background checks to purchase said firearms?

The owners of the firearms you mentioned will be able to fix the problem by removing the brace. Maybe the companies that sold the brace equipped firearms will reimburse the owners with a credit to offset the value of the brace?

 

[PiratePast40]

The owners of the firearms you mentioned will be able to fix the problem by removing the brace. Maybe the companies that sold the brace equipped firearms will reimburse the owners with a credit to offset the value of the brace?

I'm sure they'll give you credit for any brace you purchased from them. Maybe the government will issue a tax credit for every one you turn in.

 

[arakboss]

I'm sure they'll give you credit for any brace you purchased from them. Maybe the government will issue a tax credit for every one you turn in.

Pistol Brace Holiday, that's a good idea.

 

[MTpockets]

Not sure why "dog ownership" is included on the form...

 

[ScatPackLife]

You are not alone, do not vote. This will make it all better by ignoring it, just tell anyone you can get to listen to do the same and we will soon have utopia.

Ya, because that's what I said

Let me ask you this, do you trust the government to have your best interest?

 

[arakboss]

Not sure why "dog ownership" is included on the form...

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They need to know which size body bags to bring.

 

[Frank RW]

isn't "pistol" and "brace" in this context just a legal work-a-round?

(labelled as 7.5 Pistol with SBA3 Brace)

sorry for my ignorance, but to my eyes, that's a rifle and that's a stock.

What's really the difference between that and this?

 

[Frank RW]

Not sure why "dog ownership" is included on the form...

That only applies to Glock fans.

 

[ScatPackLife]

isn't "pistol" and "brace" in this context just a legal work-a-round?
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(labelled as 7.5 Pistol with SBA3 Brace)

sorry for my ignorance, but to my eyes, that's a rifle and that's a stock.

What's really the difference between that and this?
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Differences…
1: the intended designs.
2: comfort, I do not find braces comfortable to shoulder. I cheek rest mine.
3: stocks are more adaptable.
4: stocks don't have a place to rest your arm.

I would saw something like the KAK Shockwave is closer to a real stock than the one pictured, it doesn't really have a place to rest your arm, but still 1-3 apply.

 

[Geardo]

All I have to say is sell me your shorty uppers for a screaming deal.

 

[Xaevian]

isn't "pistol" and "brace" in this context just a legal work-a-round?
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(labelled as 7.5 Pistol with SBA3 Brace)

sorry for my ignorance, but to my eyes, that's a rifle and that's a stock.

What's really the difference between that and this?
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One is designed to be used with one hand, the other is not. Just like sniffing glue, because it is designed for one thing doesn't mean it will not be used for something unintentional. If you saw those side by side in person or in use, it might make more sense.

Granted, the profile view and all black color doesn't help, but you illustrate one of the reasons the ignorant get so many things wrong when it comes to firearms.