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thanks clam, its sad that a few bad apples have to ruin it for all... i grew up filling lop tags for tree farmers and our job was also to keep unauthorized people off the property as well, its unreal how many people think they can just walk on to your land with a rifle or bow and start blasting and then when you confront them they "know" the owner and it make for a bad standoff...the problem is the laws protect the trespassers.....we should be able to protect our private property..after all we are not communist even though our current pres thinks so lol