Washington Conceal carry permit question

[Camelfilter]

I was gonna ask you guys something. Is it legal to conceal carry a firearm specifically in Washington Square mall. I hardly go to beaverton that's why I ask...

Signage & business policy does not directly hold weight of law in Oregon.

Such signage & policy if present is indirect. As in the business could ask you to leave, &/or file trespass if you do not. Trespass *could* affect your CHL standing, or renewal.

Government building posting/policy regarding such in Oregon & Federally is a different matter.

 

[HiFi Magnetics]

Last I checked there weren't any metal detectors at the doors.

No problem I where I live. At Least that's what I experienced for over 10 years. I've only see 1 patrol car passed by on our street.
I'm not sure in other places. Last time I was in Washington Square mall 4 years ago. Alot of new faces. And they dont look like from Oregon.

 

[Bismark1]

Who's name the car is in has no bearing on who has carry permits. Not sure where you got that idea from, but it has nothing to do with your cars license at all in WA State. The two are not connected. I've had a permit for yrs. No details of anything concealed carry related gets added to your car info.

I'm thinking you must have never had a ccl license before. Just go get your permit and sleep easy. If a police officer pulls you over you also do not have to tell him you have a carry permit or a handgun on your person. That is UNTIL they ask you about such things and info. At that point, it is the law to inform the officer whether you a handgun on your personal and where on your personal it's being carried. Because WA State is not a state is not a state that requires you to divulge such info yo any office UNTIL ASKED at which point you are legally required to.

Anytime I may get stopped for anything. I keep both hands on the steering wheel and calmly inform the officer nicely that I have a carry permit and that I'm carrying, and where it's located on my person. That usually keeps the officer calm because then they know you're oneb of the good guys. Most of the time they will just say leave your gun in its holster where it's at and don't reach for it at all abd things will be all good. That's been my experiences the few times over been stopped over many years.

Hope this helps you

I think the officer pulling you over knows if you have a CPL before he even walks up to your car.

 

[Camelfilter]

I think the officer pulling you over knows if you have a CPL before he even walks up to your car.

If the owner is driving & has a permit...

 

[ilikegunspdx]

…I might be overthinking…

Yes you are imo. By a mile.

I would learn WA rules for rifles, pistols, loaded in the vehicle and call it good.

 

[1775usmc]

I think the officer pulling you over knows if you have a CPL before he even walks up to your car.

It's not attached to the vehicle. It's attached to the person. So if a cop runs a plate and the registered owner comes back with a CHL that's how they know. That doesn't mean the registered owner is the one driving the vehicle at the point of the traffic stop.

 

[Old Dog]

I think the officer pulling you over knows if you have a CPL before he even walks up to your car.

Not until he queries your driver license.

 

[1775usmc]

Not until he queries your driver license.

I've done plenty of ride alongs where before exiting the vehicle the LEO runs the plate and registered driver. Immediately notifying them if there is a CHL/warrants/etc. That's not to say that the registered owner is behind the wheel. They won't know that until contact is made. But it's not uncommon to run the registered drivers info before exiting the vehicle.

 

[crstrode]

Carry permit or not WA STATE law dictates the ONLY way a handgun can be
" loaded" In a vehicle is WHEN the person has a CPL license and it HAS to be " ON YOUR PERSON " not in a box or under a car seat and still loaded. A loaded handgun has to be on the person and said person has to be a current carrier of a CPL license or you're in trouble. Plain and simple.

If you leave a pistol ( or any gun) in your vehicle while going into a store or somewhere that you cannot carry it legally. Then by law, that pistol or ANY gun in a vehicle HAS to be UNLOADED and Hidden from plain view from any angle looking into the vehicle by law.

So wrong in so many ways . . .

 

[crstrode]

Not until he queries your driver license.

The drivers License is not needed either. A name, an address, a telephone number, etc, is all that the officers need - (well - he'll need a computer, radio, or telephone as well to do the search). And yes, the vehicle license plate will also allow the cops to zero-in on the registered owner.

I was shoveling snow in the yard one day and the county sheriff drove up (I'll not go into the reasons why).

One of the first things he said was "I see you have a CPL - are you armed now?" No car in sight, no wallet or documents on my person, no nothing. However, he did know the street address.

 

[gunsmithkinks]

@crstrode

I was referring to a loaded handgun being " IN " a vehicle not out of a vehicle. That handgun by law. HAS to be "ON YOUR PERSON" by WA STATE LAW if loaded in a vehicle. You .miss understood what was saying I think.

 

[HiFi Magnetics]

Not with officer TJ Hooker. Get ready for a donut when he pulls you over....

View: https://youtu.be/H0F1zMEskgI

 

[User 1234]

@crstrode

I was referring to a loaded handgun being " IN " a vehicle not out of a vehicle. That handgun by law. HAS to be "ON YOUR PERSON" by WA STATE LAW if loaded in a vehicle. You .miss understood what was saying I think.

And your statement is incorrect. See RCW 9.41.0502(a):

 

[crstrode]

@crstrode

I was referring to a loaded handgun being " IN " a vehicle not out of a vehicle. That handgun by law. HAS to be "ON YOUR PERSON" by WA STATE LAW if loaded in a vehicle. You .miss understood what was saying I think.

Nope. I did not. Refer to the WA state attorney general opinion on this topic. No need to apologize.

 

[gunsmithkinks]

I don't care what our WA STATE AG'S " "opinion" is, WA STATE law says THAT IF you have a "l LOADED " handgun IN, OR ON , A MOTORIZED VEHICLE it " MUST BE ON YOUR PERSON" there is no open carry of a loaded handgun allowed. In A vehicle anymore. And its been that way for probably 35vyrs or so, and I been at carrying for 40 yrs.

Call your sheriff's dept or stop and see them where they issue concealed pistol carry permits , and I garantee they will tell you a loaded pistol in a vehicle must be ON YOUR PERSON". They hand out a booklet about gun laws, and carry laq each time they issue a new, or renew a pistol carry permit . I also had a STATE Patrol officer mention that fact to me once while being pulled over for a bad taillight when he ran my drivers license.

Also @1234. Your WA STATE RCW 9.41.0502(a):



That Is what I was trying to convey, But,...Even a pistol locked in a box while the concealed licensed carrier is away, The gun is still supposed to be unloaded .

You cannot leave ANY gun loaded in a vehicle even I'm a locked gun box or guncase while unattended as far as a pistol. And as you know, no long gun of any kind cannot be loaded in a vehicle. If you think I'm wrong call your local Sheriff's dept or the ATF in Seattle they will tell you that.

 

[User 1234]

You quoted the statutory language, yet you refuse to read it. It says a CPL licensee can leave a loaded pistol in the vehicle and depart the vehicle. The requirement to do so is that the pistol be locked in a secure compartment that is not visible from outside the vehicle.

That results in a loaded pistol inside the vehicle without the CPL licensee present. It is legal.

And as many people know, police officers, FFLs, and some lawyers make incorrect statements about the law on a regular basis.

 

[Old Dog]

Interesting that so many people who've never done the job believe they know how the system works.

Also, a lack of understanding that every law enforcement officer in the state of Washington conducting a vehicle stop for a suspected traffic violation presumes that the driver or other occupants of the vehicle are (legally, until proven otherwise) in possession of concealed firearms.

 

[Certaindeaf]

The important thing is op doesn't know how to use the internet. Discuss.

 

[suemarkp]

9.41.050(2)(a) says: A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.

Since there is an "or" between parts (ii) and (iii), the "or" applies between all clauses. So the rules are:
(i) The pistol is on the licensee's person
or (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there
or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.

Clause (ii) makes no sense if you have to read (i) and (ii) with an "and" between them.
Clause (iii) reads to me as you can stick it in the glove box, under the seat, or in a center console as long as the car is locked. No secure compartment required.