CMP releases surplus 1911 information, prices

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    CMP releases surplus 1911 information, prices
    5/10/18 | by Chris Eger
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    U.S. martial M1911s were in production from 1912-1945 from companies as diverse as Ithaca, Remington-UMC, Singer, and US&S. (Photo: National Archives)

    The Civilian Marksmanship Program is set to offer to the public 8,000 vintage M1911 pistols transferred from the Army this year.

    The 2018 National Defense Authorization Act approved by Congress last November outlines a two-year pilot program for moving some of the Army’s surplus .45ACP GI longslides to the federally chartered non-profit corporation tasked with promoting firearms safety training and rifle practice. The CMP received the first batch of guns earlier this year and has been grading and inspecting the vintage pistols. The good news is, there is a wide array of guns that will be available from rack grade models that need some TLC, to more rare pieces.

    “Some of those are anticipated to be unusual and worthy of being auctioned,” said Mark Johnson, CMP’s chief operating officer on Wednesday. “The remaining number will be sold based on a computerized Random Number Generator.”

    The guns will be in four grades:

    Service Grade $1050. Pistol may exhibit minor pitting and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.

    Field Grade $950. Pistol may exhibit minor rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition.

    Rack Grade $850. Pistol will exhibit rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips may be incomplete and exhibit cracks. Pistol requires minor work to return to issuable condition.

    Auction Grade (Sales will to be determined by auctioning the pistol). The condition of the auction pistol will be described when posted for auction.

    It should be noted that the grade is close to, if not under, current market prices for U.S. military 1911s. For example, the current Blue Book value of a Remington-Rand made 1911– the most common maker who cranked out more than a million such pistols in WWII– is listed as $900 in 60 percent condition.

    How to purchase one

    By law, the CMP can only sell surplus military firearms given to the organization by the Army to adult members of affiliated clubs who meet certain guidelines. These include being a U.S. citizen who is not prohibited from possessing a firearm as well as proving membership in a CMP-affiliated organization and, for those under 60, proof of marksmanship-related activity.

    On the bright side, there are literally thousands of shooting and collecting clubs as well as Veterans organizations such as the VFW that are affiliated with the CMP and showing marksmanship or firearms knowledge in most cases is as easy as sending in a copy of a concealed carry permit, military service records or proof of participation in a shooting competition. Further, those seeking a pistol have to obtain a NICS check prior to purchase to ensure they are not a prohibited firearms possessor.

    “The CMP, Congress, and the United States Army do not want the 1911 to have to be returned to CMP 1911 if the purchaser is not legal to possess,” said the group, explaining the pre-check. “The more time the pistol is in transit, the more likely it is that it could be lost or stolen.”

    Every applicant for a 1911 will be treated as a new customer to CMP, which means those wanting one of these surplus pistols has to go through the process from scratch even if they have bought M1s or other rifles from the organization in the past. Pistols must be sent to an FFL, where a second NICS check will be performed before transfer.

    The CMP will post a 1911 order form packet on their website on June 4 for download and will only accept one packet per customer to make sure 8,000 would-be buyers can get in on the deal rather than see a few collectors snatch up all of the guns. A 30-day window from Sept. 4 to Oct. 4 will be open to mail the packet to the organization’s Anniston, Alabama address. The day after the window closes, all of the qualifying names will be fed into a Random Number Generator and CMP staffers will start making calls. Applicants who get a call will be offered a choice from the grades that are available and will have five days to make payment if they choose a handgun.

    A second batch of between 8,000 and 10,000 1911s is expected to be transferred from the Army, which has as many as 100,000 in storage at the Anniston Army Depot, to the CMP in 2019.

    CMP releases surplus 1911 information, prices
     
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    Hmmm.
     
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    850 bucks for rusted, pitted, missing parts, etc. Color me impressed.
     
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    Many have been shocked at what they are trying to sell these for. While I doubt people will line up for them at that price, I do expect they will sell. Back many decades ago several Mil Surp 1911's passed through my hands. Used to often be able to get a VERY nice one for about the same price as a NIB Colt went. I would play with them and when someone had to have it sell. Now days? I have not seen one in a while. Last one I did was a RR that was in very poor shape. Shop was asking what a NIB import 1911 went and it sold in a week. Many people still "just have to have" one of these. They will pay amazing price for one.
     
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    pretty expensive for a non-profit focused on training shooters. Even at $850 that's almost $7 million worth. The government gives them to CMP right? Sounds like the mission is to profit off of a collectible firearm sold to collectors rather than train civilians. whatever
     
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    Still great news. Not going to be melted down. That was my fear.
     
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    They've openly admitted they intended to overprice these to "keep the wrong people from buying them."
     
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    Don’t fall into the myth of “non profit”, it is an accounting trick to suck in soft headed liberals. Some of the highest salaries and most inflated expenditures I have ever seen were from non profits. I too am glad they weren’t destroyed but haven’t seen a great deal from the CMP for a long time.
     
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    ah, that's the excuse huh?

    Dont want those gang bangers to send in
    • Proof of U.S. Citizenship
    • Proof of Age
    • Membership in CMP Affiliated Organization
    • Marksmanship or other Firearms Related Activity
    • Be Legally Eligible to Purchase a Firearm
    then wait 9 months and then go rob the gas station with their new rusty 1911

    Is there anyone left that is not corrupt?
     
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    Between the blatant cashgrabbing and the elitist snobbery, I'm not sure which offends me more out of them.
     
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    They should go to Arlington and dig up some collector bones to sell
     
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    *shudders* Hi Point owners...
     
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    There should be a reliable, steady supply of these at those prices.
    And there won't be anyone trying to gouge on Gunbroker either.

    :)
     
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    Another key word here may be inflation.
     
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    These guns were already bought and paid for by the tax payers. They should give them away through a lottery open to all honorably discharged veterans. Background checks would apply, of course.
     
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    Having made a good portion of my income buying and selling government equipment......that is a poor argument. I bought 30 or so mobile homes from the Fed when Bill Clinton decided they wern’t good enough for seasonal employees to live in at Yosemite and Kings Canyon National parks (even though none were damaged or old) I got a call from some female communist that thought they should be given to the homeless (after I had already purchased them at auction) that argument didn’t go very far. I made 4500.00 or so clear on each unit after I paid to have them delivered to my customer’s locations. So.......maby an auction for the guns rather than a lottery. I did buy an ex-military Remington M24 sniper kit that was restricted to veterans and active military but it wasn’t inexpensive (at the time)
     
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    pass
     
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    $1050 for service grade is a bit much, when there are so many 1911 options out there. This offering is basically for collectors.

    I'd rather have another Garand for $750.

    Currently saving my money for the repatriated South Korean M1 Carbines.. fingers crossed
     
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    still wondering if CMP paid for these or was given them to sell. If they were given to them, they should not sell at "market rate for collector firearms" since CMP is supposed to be to help facilitate the training civilians to shoot. Civilians should not just be those who can afford an expensive rusty firearm. If CMP paid for them to make money then fine, make the corp for profit like everyone else.

    I'm also assuming no other gun dealer had the ability to purchase these from the government to sell either? No bid contract for $7-10 million in 1911's to sell for 100% profit?
     
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    If there's 100,000 still in inventory how "collectible" can they be? Everything is effing "collectible" these days. Fools and their money...
     

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