CCW and Weed Card?

[turbo_vanner]

like many people, I started smoking in college, and my GPA went to a 4.0.... so I kept smoking, stopped drinking, and graduated near the top of my class, and by far the top of my geology class. I have continued that trend with similar results.

Generally i have found that if a person is an irresponsible pos, they are an irresponsible pos regardless of whether or not they smoke weed, drink, or abstain. It might influence the situation, but doesn't really change who they are.

 

[moose]

Reminds me of something I once heard in the military concerning group discipline: "Oh great. One moron craps his pants and now we all have to wear diapers!"

That was actually true for astronauts, thanks to Alan Shepard.

I guess I'm not one of those people either. I don't smoke, drink or do any kind of drugs whatsoever. I think anyone found in possession of a loaded firearm while intoxicated with ANY kind of self consumed substance should lose their concealed carry permit immediately and go to an approve rehab treatment facility and successfully complete it before being allowed to carry concealed again.

Ok but how would that ever be enforced? Would getting a permit give explicit permission for an on demand drug test?

 

[4Freedom]

LOL If engaged in illegal activities don't expect the hotels to be really friendly about it..........

Well, he wasn't engaged in an illegal activity. THey legalized weed in the state of California and you can actually now buy it in a store for recreational use without any permit. Sadly, the only illegal activity he did was probably illegally carrying around a gun and, of course, firing off the gun. The weed was legal, the gun was illegal. If we want to use the argument of legality, he should not have been in possession of a firearm, since carrying a loaded gun in California is illegal, especially in West Hollywood (Los Angeles county, No CC Issue County).

The only law he broke was firearm related. What he did was violate the hotel's policy and that has nothing to do with the law. Some may argue that the hotel may have no grounds to keep his weed either and he could have possibly have sued the hotel for what they did, had he not been a complete maniac and fired rounds in the air. A hotel has grounds to kick someone out of the hotel, but probably not to keep their possessions, even if they consider them "forbidden". Imagine if a hotel had a no firearms policy and decided to keep his gun. What would you say then? As well, assuming the gun was legally owned, they would have probably forced that hotel with threat of legal action to have returned him the firearm. I bet the same would have been done for the weed, since it is legal in California.

 

[Mecanik]

Ok but how would that ever be enforced? Would getting a permit give explicit permission for an on demand drug test?

The same way a roadside test is administered during a traffic stop and under the same conditions.

 

[Mecanik]

THey legalized weed in the state of California

Again, It's not legal anywhere in the United States due to federal laws against it. And if he purchased that firearm and lied about not using marijuana he committed a felony. The political winds change from time time and I wouldn't want to be caught up in it.

 

[4Freedom]

Again, It's not legal anywhere in the United States due to federal laws against it. And if he purchased that firearm and lied about not using marijuana he committed a felony. The political winds change from time time and I wouldn't want to be caught up in it.

It was also illegal to be black and enter a white restaurant or marry a person of the wrong skin at one time in this country too. Also, it was illegal to vote at one time if you were a woman. It wasn't through voting alone that helped American people attain their freedoms and rights. Quite the contrary, it was rather one struggle and rebellion after another. Our own politicians and lawmakers have also violated several of our laws, yet the same people pick and choose which federal laws they believe should follow. If a federal law is passed that states "Assault Weapons" will require licensing or be confiscated, I bet people will not be championing the federal laws over state laws in this case.

According to Federal guidelines marijuana is the most dangerous substance on the earth with no medical properties. Considering the millions of people being helped with medical marijuana with no known fatalities, all the scientific research and huge amount of information which our government is forcefully suppressing, these Federal laws are completely unjust and need to be rescinded. Since this law obviously is based on fallacies and scientifically invalid, that would probably also make this law, itself, invalid. If we were forced to believe the Earth is still flat and can risk imprisonment or fines for teaching Evolution or a round Earth, would it be justified, because the law states the Earth is flat, when science has proven , otherwise? These drug laws are suppose to be based on science, not on religious or self-imposed ethical beliefs. I find it ironic that people say we must follow unjust federal laws to the letter in a country built on rebellion against unjust laws and where civil right marches, civil disobedience and outright rebellion brought about the significant changes we enjoy in our country today.

Once again, all those Sheriffs back in 2012, during Obama's Assault Weapon Ban proposal), who said they would refuse to enforce federal gun laws in their state are just as much of law breakers as these marijuana users. Denying a viable medicine to sick people is as unconstitutional as it gets. I doubt our Founding Fathers (some who even consumed hash/hemp/cannabis) would not be supporting denying sick people a medicine with a better track record than the toxic opiates that the government is making so much money on, yet killing so much of our population. The government is committing a crime by helping cause so many deaths and helping to addict so many people to their "approved" drugs. But, they make billions from the support of their Big Pharma companies who don't want a simple and easy to cultivate plant to hinder their massive profits in the opioid industry.

As well, it wasn't voting that ended alcohol prohibition, but rather the large amount of lawlessness and the increasing power of the mafia which were starting to pose a threat to the foundations of our government ,as they started buying off more and more politicians. They saw that if they carried on with this ludicrous prohibition with alcohol that one day the mafia would end up controlling the country. Considering the power and influence of the drug cartels, we can see already what happened in Mexico when cartels run the show. It can happen in this country too. Voting and depending on your politicians to change laws, by itself, will not result in any laws being changed. The politicians, as a whole, are more than happy to have as much power, control and authority as they can possibly wield.

 

[Argonaut]

You just don't get it......probably smoking too much........guns are protected by the second amendment to the constitution (the highest law of the land) Drugs are not. And furthermore the constitution clearly states that Federal law has precedence whenever it is written so no matter what a state says.........marijuana is not legal in any state. Your comparisons and arguments are weak and not true. So......please spend your energy and money in trying to get a constructional amendment legalizing your habit...........it will be wasted just like marijuana users usually are.

 

[kott0n]

You just don't get it......probably smoking too much........guns are protected by the second amendment to the constitution (the highest law of the land) Drugs are not. And furthermore the constitution clearly states that Federal law has precedence whenever it is written so no matter what a state says.........marijuana is not legal in any state. Your comparisons and arguments are weak and not true. So......please spend your energy and money in trying to get a constructional amendment legalizing your habit...........it will be wasted just like marijuana users usually are.

Please see ammendment 4.

 

[Argonaut]

The 4th amendment has been tested many times in the Supreme Court and does not apply.

 

[moose]

The same way a roadside test is administered during a traffic stop and under the same conditions.

It's a bit bigger than just weed. So I'm minding my own business, concealed is concealed, and I volunteer for a stop and frisk? A UA? A needle and blood test? I can't envision that ever working.

 

[wired]

Please see ammendment 4.

Or the one that gets poo poo'd a lot. The 10th. The states are not affecting interstate traffic by allowing MJ sales inside the states ( as they most certainly do ) because its not legal at the federal level. Kind of hard for the feds to say it disrupts the traffic of a substance they do not allow to travel between states at all.

 

[wired]

It's a bit bigger than just weed. So I'm minding my own business, concealed is concealed, and I volunteer for a stop and frisk? A UA? A needle and blood test? I can't envision that ever working.

The statists would have you cavity searched at every traffic stop.

 

[moose]

The statists would have you cavity searched at every traffic stop.

I'm adding Vaseline to my murse.

 

[4Freedom]

You just don't get it......probably smoking too much........guns are protected by the second amendment to the constitution (the highest law of the land) Drugs are not. And furthermore the constitution clearly states that Federal law has precedence whenever it is written so no matter what a state says.........marijuana is not legal in any state. Your comparisons and arguments are weak and not true. So......please spend your energy and money in trying to get a constructional amendment legalizing your habit...........it will be wasted just like marijuana users usually are.

You are the guy who praised Mao Zedung for keeping China in order.. Your insults don't affect me.. Go ahead and insult me all you want for stating my opinion. I think in your perfect world we would all live in an oppressive totalitarian fascist ruled regime where everybody is obedient or is shot dead. What a perfect world.

BTW, if you think Idaho won't ever lose its 2nd Amendment rights, well there are lots of Californians moving there and many of them are staunchly anti-gun. I got in an argument at a grocery store in Boise with one of those ex-Californians (met him at a bar while back) coming to Idaho. He was screaming out how stupid Idaho is for allowing dangerous military weapons and how people conceal carrying would result in police getting killed. I told him he should go back to where he came from since it was so much better there. WHo knows maybe I was just smoking too much as you would say.. Where's Mao Zedung when you need him?

You can be assured that what is happening in Oregon and Washington will soon happen in Idaho too.. About 20-30% of Idaho's population are from California and Idaho is becoming more and more liberal. Boise, Idaho's main city is becoming a liberal sh*tshow just like Portland and Seattle. I think Boise may even go to the left of those cities eventually.

And, yes, keep promoting your drug war, I am sure you will help keep Democrats out of the White House with your championing of a police state. The 2nd Amendment, BTW, is not the only law protecting various freedoms and liberties. Once again, the law refutes science.. Do you think black people and women are not considered people? THat is how many people interpreted our laws for years. How is it justified to prohibit a substance based on false scientific principles that are easily refuted? That is considered justice and law?

I was wondering when this discussion would turn into a food fight, rather than civil discourse.

 

[Argonaut]

It's a bit bigger than just weed. So I'm minding my own business, concealed is concealed, and I volunteer for a stop and frisk? A UA? A needle and blood test? I can't envision that ever working.

You probably volunteered for a stop and frisk when you made the application for your CCW........we sign our rights away every day in various ways. If you don't pay your mortgage......you will loose your house.....is that unlawful seizure? You signed your rights away when you closed the mortgage. Or refuse to take a sobriety test.......you will loose your privilege to drive......another place that you signed your rights away.

 

[Argonaut]

You are the guy who praised Mao Zedung for keeping China in order.. Your insults don't affect me.. Go ahead and insult me all you want for stating my opinion. I think in your perfect world we would all live in an oppressive totalitarian fascist ruled regime where everybody is obedient or is shot dead. What a perfect world.

BTW, if you think Idaho won't ever lose its 2nd Amendment rights, well there are lots of Californians moving there and many of them are staunchly anti-gun. I got in an argument with one of those ex-Californians coming to Idaho. He was screaming out how stupid Idaho is for allowing dangerous military weapons and how people conceal carrying would result in police getting killed. I told him he should go back to where he came from since it was so much better there. WHo knows maybe I was just smoking too much as you would say.. Where's Mao Zedung when you need him?


I was wondering when this discussion would turn into a food fight, rather than civil discourse.

Our largest immigrant counties are the most conservitive counties in the state. It seems the Californians moving here are not the problem. There are exceptions (sort of like a responsible drug user) but in a free society we can (and will) deal with them. You have been delt a loosing hand.........

 

[4Freedom]

It seems the Californians moving here are not the problem.

I beg to differ.. The Pacific Northwest was a great place to live and was doing just fine before the huge migration of Californians, Chicagoans and Northeastern transplants. They came here to fix all our problems and impose all the laws of where they came from to make the NOrthwest a sh*thole of a state just like where they came from.

I know that not every Californian is bad, but I find so many Californians just love to impose their beliefs and insult everyone else who dosen't think like they do. Basically, they think they are the superior people and will force us to abide by their rules in our own home states.

Things were a lot better before they all came, trust me.. I grew up in a small town in Southern Oregon that now is almost entirely wealthy Californians and which no local person could even afford to live anymore.

 

[moose]

You probably volunteered for a stop and frisk when you made the application for your CCW........we sign our rights away every day in various ways. If you don't pay your mortgage......you will loose your house.....is that unlawful seizure? You signed your rights away when you closed the mortgage. Or refuse to take a sobriety test.......you will loose your privilege to drive......another place that you signed your rights away.

Actually I probably didn't. In 1968 the SOTUS required some probable cause to conduct a Terry stop.

 

[Argonaut]

I beg to differ.. The Pacific Northwest was a great place to live and was doing just fine before the huge migration of Californians, Chicagoans and Northeastern transplants. They came here to fix all our problems and impose all the laws of where they came from to make the NOrthwest a sh*thole of a state just like where they came from.

I know that not every Californian is bad, but I find so many Californians just love to impose their beliefs and insult everyone else who dosen't think like they do. Basically, they think they are the superior people and will force us to abide by their rules in our own home states.

Things were a lot better before they all came, trust me.. I grew up in a small town in Southern Oregon that now is almost entirely wealthy Californians and which no local person could even afford to live anymore.

I am a 6th generation Idahoan raised in Spokane. I doubt there is much I can learn about the PNW from you. My earliest realitives came here in 1855. The problem has never been Californians, it is liberals. Seattle and Portland have always been full of them just like San Francisco. In the 50's we in Spokane used to talk about the insanity in the big western cities like Seattle.

 

[gozoner]

Freedom, weed, etc... Anybody know why the 18th Amendment was needed to make alcohol illegal but, now, almost anything can be made illegal w/o a constitutional amendment?

If the Gov't wants to make weed or personal nuclear weapons illegal, they need a constitutional amendment - otherwise the Gov't violates the 9th and 10th Amendments. [My guess is we can get an amendment for personal nuclear weapons, easily].

Conceptually, each of us have 'natural (aka God-given) rights' to do anything we please as long as we don't violate the rights of others ('reciprocity of rights'). The Gov't can not interfere with anything we do unless the Gov't's defining document (aka The Constitution) gives them explicit authority to interfere.

As it stands, there are 10s of thousands of things that the Gov't bans - they have utterly no business banning anything. The process to ban stuff is well defined - get an amendment approved.