CCW and Weed Card?

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  1. Mecanik

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    Even though I agree "in principle" with people being able to smoke weed legally, I see no good that could come out of it. Other than a few medical advances that could be made and some pain relief there is nothing that it could contribute to our society that would advance us socially or make our daily lives better. It's like taking freedom to an extreme and fighting for something in principle and tripping over many issues much more important. Pick your battles and know when to let things go and when to hang on.
    The recreational use of either marijuana or alcohol has caused countless problems with deaths and diseases and in the end has done society no good and never will. When we legalized alcohol after prohibition we didn't do it because it was any good for you and the same will be for marijuana.
     
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    Is that what is important to you? Advancing our society or advancing us socially and everything that doesnt push that peanut forward and make OUR "daily lives better" should be banned by the government for our own good? Are you a socialist? I just ask because those are very socialist/statist statements.
     
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    Replace the words alcohol and weed for guns, soda or fast food and see how subjective that statement is.
     
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    That's why I say "in principle" but it's not something worth the effort when so many issues are much greater. I suppose we could argue in principle that heroin and cocaine and a whole list of other substances harmful to our bodies is "in principle" a freedom we should be able to enjoy but I think the principles of freedom have limits and that we should only fight for those which will do us good and allow those which harm us to be restricted. Technology has become the evil that creates new drugs and weapons and tests the limits of our freedoms. Our children will have it even harder in the future when newer drugs and weapons are created and they wrestle with the limits of freedom.
     
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    Another thread is actively discussing the connection between the murder rate and firearm ownership. That is really a non issue after the Fed freely admits that something over 80% of all murders are by people either under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol or involved in the trade. It isn’t the gun, it is the mind altering substance that needs more control but the combination is clearly deadly.
     
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    I totally agree, if you break it down demographically you end up with something that's also politically incorrect to point out. The truth is out there and sometimes it points the finger in directions that embarrasses certain political groups more than others. I've always known that if you don't drink or do drugs and vote Republican and join the NRA that your chance of being involved in any criminal activity with a firearm is almost zero.
     
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    Do you have any links from reputable sources that can show us the statistics in relation to the amount of death and disease marijuana use has caused in the last 50 years? I'd be very interested to see it. On the contrary, I have read a large amount of research and a large amount of testimonials, including one Republican Congressman from South Carolina who said the drug saved his own son's life after coming back badly wounded from Iraq. He is now, ironically, a big advocate for decriminalizing weed and for medical cannabis. I've heard countless stories of people using high dosages of THC/CBD successully to set their cancerous tumors into remission and others who lived much happier and less painful lives with some of the worst types of cancers and health maladies.

    If we want to use the argument that these substances should not be legal because they can potentially cause harm, couldn't we make the same argument about guns? Yes, guns save more lives than they destroy and the Right To Keep and Bear Arms to be is an inherit right given by God (Whatever Deity you believe) to all pople. However, since a child can get a hold of his father's gun (and many have) and hurt himself or others or that armed robbers and murderers can potentially use guns should we outlaw those too?

    McDonalds has probably killed more people than Marijuana and Alcohol is probably the most dangerous substance on the earth when combined with a firearm. So , why not just live in a police state like Nazi Germany where we are all controlled and everyone is safe from one another except from the government?

    As of now, the government is killing 100,000s of people with legal opioids manufactured by companies who also stuff their pockets with cash (via lobbyists, stocks, investments, etc). This opioid epidemic probably rivals the opium epidemic of 1700-1800s. They already proven that the use of cannabis lowers opioid addiction and is a safer alternative for pain treatment. Yet, the government is raiding pharmacies or busting down the doors of Big Pharma drug czars who've killed more people in probably one week than marijuana has in 1000s of years.

    I just find it ironic that people who champion personal freedoms, small government, individual and state rights will then promote to boost the size of the bureaucracy, raise taxes , build more prisons and empower what will become more of a police state in the name of fighting a war on people consuming a non-lethal plant. The most dangerous thing I find about drugs is the fact the government can turn you into a felon overnight and destroy your life, making it more likely that you will make even worse choices down the line.

    DO you know how much of our tax money is used to imprison just marijuana offenders (never mind the other drugs)? Is this really worth it?

    If health is the ultimate concern, why not raid Wal-Mart and rid the shelves of purple , green and orange soda which probably causes a myriad of health problems and a strain on our health system. Oh, wait, the city of Seattle has already tried to push this type of legislation, with a "soda tax". The same people here who decry the soda tax believe we should fight a drug war against drugs that are non-lethal , when we should be focusing more on the most dangerous drugs like heroin, opioids, meth , PCP, etc that have definitely proven themselves with documented body counts. All this in the name of health and wellness. The same guy promoting a drug war or war on cannabis will be guzzling down alcohol, smoking a cigarette and munching on some hormone, anti-biotic pumped meat deep fried in GMO oil.
     
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    The interesting thing to me is mankind made it to 2018 while consuming whatever they came across. Plenty of evidence of early man consuming a myriad array of plant substances, these of course included marijuana, the opium poppy, the coca leaf, peyote cactus, even believe it or not bile from frogs. Plenty of use in our cultures throughout history. It's only the modern culture that has condemned it.

    It's call indoctrination. The Nazi's were the first to use modern technology to spread their indoctrination. Did you think we only got rocket scientists through Operation Paperclip?

    The regulations are more about controlling the populace, propping up the police state (those drug budgets are what gives them "swat teams, APC's, etc), propping up the private prison apparatus, the ridiculous spying done on American citizens.

    Maybe you missed all the instances throughout history where our Government was PROPPING UP the drug trade. Whether through hostile takeovers of regions, governments, assisting with trafficking all the way to street dealing. Right now in the middle east soldiers are walking through opium fields and leaving them. While people rot in jail in the US, die of opium OD's and the worlds heroin supply SURGED due to our "efforts" in the middle east. It's more pure now than ever.

    The system loves the guys who want to keep drugs illegal, it's what keeps this whole system BROKEN and running.
     
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    One more point... I as happy when WA legalized Marijuana, not because I consume. It's a tax revenue they have no other way of getting. It takes the violence away as no point in dealing anymore. The best thing though? They have to use that drug budget to go after meth cooks, heroic dealers, etc. They are able to focus on, let's be honest, real police work. Not worrying about the guy who has a doobie in his back pack.
     
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    Violent crime and murder drop massively in American states with legal weed | Metro News

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    Legal marijuana cuts violence says US study, as medical-use laws see crime fall
     
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    So stupefying the citizens with drugs and alcohol to make them docile and easy to manage works. There might be something to that but I prefer to be drug free and behave myself naturally. We've been known to do that with dangerous animals and sometimes crazy people to make them manageable or tranquilize them for transportation. But to each their own. If that's what it takes to make people quit killing each other so be it.
     
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    Washington is about to solve the problem by outlawing guns.........it seems the people have spoken.
     
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    So we have a situation where the government has fostered the development of a black market for marijuana by criminalizing the sale of it. Legal or not people still use it just like they used alcohol during prohibition. Outside groups come in to take advantage of of that black market through violence and intimidation just like they did during the prohibition of alcohol. Governments at the state level then step back and decriminalize the market. Violent crime goes down in those states because the black market cannot sustain itself and it moves on to other states where Marijuana is still illegal at the state level so that they can continue to monopolize the sale of it through violence and intimidation.

    You'd think we would have learned something during the prohibition of alcohol.
     
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    If I were to guess the black market will never die as the government will soon tax it into a return to the black market. Never enuff money.
     
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    The weed I bought in high school 33 years ago cost more than what they sell it for at the state sponsored stores today tax included. Oregon has the right idea "letting" people grow their own bypassing the tax collector. Washington dropped the ball in their legislation as usual.

    When people get all excited about taxing legalizing and taxing marijuana I like to remind them that they call themselves Republicans the rest of the time. Why get all excited about taxation now?
     
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    I can only imagine what the war on firearms will look like after seeing the war on drugs and the war on alcohol. Many people died during both of them. And It's not the people that have spoken, it's a few radical nitwits the democrats have allowed to get in charge. Corruption running rampant with voter fraud at an all time high. My dead Grandpa has been voting democrat ever since he died.
     
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    It isn’t the Democrats that have allowed this to happen it is the Republicans and people that just don’t care. Elections have consequences and the people that have allowed the left wing and Democrats to prevail are the culprates here. My family has always hated the left. It was born in the Confederacy around the civil war and was never good. They are the party of slavery and the Jim Crow south. My Idaho born Grandmother couldn’t say Rosevelt’s name without spitting from the fowl taste it left in her mouth. On my civil war veteran grandfather’s headstone, it reads “he was a lifelong Republican” Not all Republicans are good but all Democrats are bad. Look at how people like Al Gores father voted against civil rights and how early Democrats left the congress in mass to support the South during the civil war. As they gain power, they are embolden to show there true colors, that is what the coastal states are witnessing. It is up to these weak middle of the road go along people to recognize what they are up against and take a stand in defeating it. Trump has given us an opportunity to regain the advantage but we have to do the hard work to support him and see that it gets done.
     
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    LOL If engaged in illegal activities don't expect the hotels to be really friendly about it..........
     
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