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Oh that is interesting....Do dead people voters show up in the stats ?
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Easy to vote also means easy to rig, as you mention.
One of the reasons for low turnout could also be that this is a primary. That means that those disgusted with both parties don't get to vote for Governor on their ballots if they registered independent.
This is why I think that if IP43 makes it to the ballot it WILL pass. That's why we have to kill it before that happens. I don't have any confidence in Oregon Republicans to get off their lazy a**'s to vote!
I think it's more a combination of apathy, people thinking the top 3 cities will swing the vote, so why bother ( sort of what we saw in -16 with the Trumpster vs Killory) and I also believe the good folks are also keeping quiet until Nov. And watching to see which way things may lean, and finally, I think a lot of folks just don't know what's going on, or have any idea what's up for a vote and how important it all is! This is why we need to get the word out far and wide ( and with no help from the MSM, as always) to get as many folks to vote as possable! This is where members here can have an influence, but sadly, we have folks who will always be hard headed and insist on voting conscious or to "send a message" or vote in protest, thus tossing away their vote and their voice, which ALWAY leads to the same conclusion! If folks would put aside their personal convictions and VOTE for the good of the Republic, we would sweep Kate out of the Capital and send her floating down the river with the rest of the Brown Stuff!
I don't know if that's a foregone conclusion. It's one thing to elect politicians, but a single ballot measure can draw support from both sides of the isle. I've talked to a surprising number of Democrats since this all started that are absolutely against IP43, and will vote against it in November, if it makes the ballot. For pro-gun Dems and those who may not be pro-gun but are smart enough to see the far reaching ramifications for them down the road - this bill goes too far - way too far in infringing on personal property rights. Pass this law, and maybe another bill will pass requiring them to give up something they hold dear. It sets a very dangerous precedent for future ballot measures, some of which may be for retaliation, if nothing else.
People can vote their conscience on this one since they're not having to weigh multiple issues like they do when selecting a candidate. No social programs are on the chopping block if their preferred person doesn't win. This is a simple yes/no, and the yes could be very dangerous for them too.
So I will continue to hold out hope that there is a real chance to defeat IP43 in Oregon. That said, I would love to see both it and IP44 fail to make the ballot in the first place. Unfortunately, should one or both fail, I fully expect, if Oregonians don't release the Democrat strangle hold on the legislature in Salem, they will pick up all or part of these bills and ram them through as 'emergencies' - and there will be nothing we can do to stop them if they maintain the majority or worse yet, the super majority, this November.
They both over reach and target the legal gun owners.
@ob1 @Ura-Ki
I'm in total agreement that we need to get something from Knute in exchange for our support and vote. The items you gentlemen called out are a fine start for his first year in office.
We as gun owners need protection, we as American Citizens need our rights and protection placed above illegal immigrants. We need our state to stop harboring criminals of federal immigration laws and we need our state to cooperate with federal law enforcement on that very issue.
Additionally, we need to secure and fortify our schools and stop posting tax payer money away on special interest programs that return zero results for the dollars spent.
I think we need to form our own PAC, it can be called #GOOO (Gun Owners of Oregon). Knute needs to understand the price for the governorship, he's gonna be deep in GOOO...
I don't know if that's a foregone conclusion. It's one thing to elect politicians, but a single ballot measure can draw support from both sides of the isle. I've talked to a surprising number of Democrats since this all started that are absolutely against IP43, and will vote against it in November, if it makes the ballot. For pro-gun Dems and those who may not be pro-gun but are smart enough to see the far reaching ramifications for them down the road - this bill goes too far - way too far in infringing on personal property rights. Pass this law, and maybe another bill will pass requiring them to give up something they hold dear. It sets a very dangerous precedent for future ballot measures, some of which may be for retaliation, if nothing else.
People can vote their conscience on this one since they're not having to weigh multiple issues like they do when selecting a candidate. No social programs are on the chopping block if their preferred person doesn't win. This is a simple yes/no, and the yes could be very dangerous for them too.
So I will continue to hold out hope that there is a real chance to defeat IP43 in Oregon. That said, I would love to see both it and IP44 fail to make the ballot in the first place. Unfortunately, should one or both fail, I fully expect, if Oregonians don't release the Democrat strangle hold on the legislature in Salem, they will pick up all or part of these bills and ram them through as 'emergencies' - and there will be nothing we can do to stop them if they maintain the majority or worse yet, the super majority, this November.
Watch video 1:15 in to hear Kate say just this!!!
Possibly a rare divergence with us @nammac .
I don't reward rinos without something tangible up front (and I don't mean the Rino's horn...that would hurt). And frankly, with his obvious platform slant on most other issues, who is to say he isn't working with Bloomberg bucks as well ?
He certainly wasn't concerned with 2A voters with his last vote.
Voting to keep guns away from convicted stalkers, or those determined to be a threat to a household member is not a big deal to me. If someone does things sufficient to make others think they might hurt someone, then I think it's reasonable to expect some consequences such as removal of firearms until they can convince the cops/courts that they are safe enough. Knute knew this bill would pass - he's a politician and knew he'd be running for Goobernator in 18 - he does not want Brown saying he allowed dangerous people to possess guns around the people they threatened. That probably was a factor in his yes vote.
This is the bill he voted for:
The Voter's Self Defense System
He voted pro-gun by voting against SB719 and HB4147:
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/135186/knute-buehler/37/guns#.WvzIk2rn85s
All Right, Somebody Gets It!!! Buy that man some beers!
I fully agree, its time to hold his feet to the fire and get some damn answers, or he will find him self recalled after he wins ( if he wins) and I agree, he needs to be giving US something! That something will include a vociferous defense of our 2nd rights, and full removal of "Sanctuary status" for this state, and full support of ICE in its quest to remove illegals! That's just the warm up!
I am seriously contemplating registering as a dem next go round, as an attempt to undercut the worst progs
Read the Fifth Amendment, codified by the Fourteenth Amendment, another gift from the founding fathers, just like the Second. "Lack of due process".
Kate Brown should be removed from office for violation of the Oregon Consitiution and Bill of Rights, specifically the Second Amendment. I'm sure there's literally hundreds of Oregon law violations that she's committed...Watch video 1:15 in to hear Kate say just this!!!
That would be a beautiful thing...
Well' she at least has $250,000.00 in Bloomberg bucks for her attorney's retainer fee.