Candidates for Oregon Governor

[ob1]

Oh that is interesting....Do dead people voters show up in the stats ?

 

[Ura-Ki]

Easy to vote also means easy to rig, as you mention.

One of the reasons for low turnout could also be that this is a primary. That means that those disgusted with both parties don't get to vote for Governor on their ballots if they registered independent.

I think it's more a combination of apathy, people thinking the top 3 cities will swing the vote, so why bother ( sort of what we saw in -16 with the Trumpster vs Killory) and I also believe the good folks are also keeping quiet until Nov. And watching to see which way things may lean, and finally, I think a lot of folks just don't know what's going on, or have any idea what's up for a vote and how important it all is! This is why we need to get the word out far and wide ( and with no help from the MSM, as always) to get as many folks to vote as possable! This is where members here can have an influence, but sadly, we have folks who will always be hard headed and insist on voting conscious or to "send a message" or vote in protest, thus tossing away their vote and their voice, which ALWAY leads to the same conclusion! If folks would put aside their personal convictions and VOTE for the good of the Republic, we would sweep Kate out of the Capital and send her floating down the river with the rest of the Brown Stuff!

 

[etrain16]

This is why I think that if IP43 makes it to the ballot it WILL pass. That's why we have to kill it before that happens. I don't have any confidence in Oregon Republicans to get off their lazy a**'s to vote!

I don't know if that's a foregone conclusion. It's one thing to elect politicians, but a single ballot measure can draw support from both sides of the isle. I've talked to a surprising number of Democrats since this all started that are absolutely against IP43, and will vote against it in November, if it makes the ballot. For pro-gun Dems and those who may not be pro-gun but are smart enough to see the far reaching ramifications for them down the road - this bill goes too far - way too far in infringing on personal property rights. Pass this law, and maybe another bill will pass requiring them to give up something they hold dear. It sets a very dangerous precedent for future ballot measures, some of which may be for retaliation, if nothing else.

People can vote their conscience on this one since they're not having to weigh multiple issues like they do when selecting a candidate. No social programs are on the chopping block if their preferred person doesn't win. This is a simple yes/no, and the yes could be very dangerous for them too.

So I will continue to hold out hope that there is a real chance to defeat IP43 in Oregon. That said, I would love to see both it and IP44 fail to make the ballot in the first place. Unfortunately, should one or both fail, I fully expect, if Oregonians don't release the Democrat strangle hold on the legislature in Salem, they will pick up all or part of these bills and ram them through as 'emergencies' - and there will be nothing we can do to stop them if they maintain the majority or worse yet, the super majority, this November.

 

[etrain16]

I think it's more a combination of apathy, people thinking the top 3 cities will swing the vote, so why bother ( sort of what we saw in -16 with the Trumpster vs Killory) and I also believe the good folks are also keeping quiet until Nov. And watching to see which way things may lean, and finally, I think a lot of folks just don't know what's going on, or have any idea what's up for a vote and how important it all is! This is why we need to get the word out far and wide ( and with no help from the MSM, as always) to get as many folks to vote as possable! This is where members here can have an influence, but sadly, we have folks who will always be hard headed and insist on voting conscious or to "send a message" or vote in protest, thus tossing away their vote and their voice, which ALWAY leads to the same conclusion! If folks would put aside their personal convictions and VOTE for the good of the Republic, we would sweep Kate out of the Capital and send her floating down the river with the rest of the Brown Stuff!

The other stubborn thing we may have to get past, as a group, is the insistence that we will never use social media. Sorry folks, like it or not, if you want to get your message out there, you're going to need platforms like FB, Twitter, Instagram, etc. That's where many, many folks get their information nowadays. Like 'em or hate 'em, they are now part of the American culture and one of the best ways to reach folks from Millennials up to Boomers - my parents are active on FB, and they're in their 70's. Honestly, if it doesn't show up on social media, there's a good chance they won't even hear about it. Time to suck it up and use those platforms against them, as much as possible.

 

[SUPER X]

I don't know if that's a foregone conclusion. It's one thing to elect politicians, but a single ballot measure can draw support from both sides of the isle. I've talked to a surprising number of Democrats since this all started that are absolutely against IP43, and will vote against it in November, if it makes the ballot. For pro-gun Dems and those who may not be pro-gun but are smart enough to see the far reaching ramifications for them down the road - this bill goes too far - way too far in infringing on personal property rights. Pass this law, and maybe another bill will pass requiring them to give up something they hold dear. It sets a very dangerous precedent for future ballot measures, some of which may be for retaliation, if nothing else.

People can vote their conscience on this one since they're not having to weigh multiple issues like they do when selecting a candidate. No social programs are on the chopping block if their preferred person doesn't win. This is a simple yes/no, and the yes could be very dangerous for them too.

So I will continue to hold out hope that there is a real chance to defeat IP43 in Oregon. That said, I would love to see both it and IP44 fail to make the ballot in the first place. Unfortunately, should one or both fail, I fully expect, if Oregonians don't release the Democrat strangle hold on the legislature in Salem, they will pick up all or part of these bills and ram them through as 'emergencies' - and there will be nothing we can do to stop them if they maintain the majority or worse yet, the super majority, this November.

They both over reach and target the legal gun owners.

 

[etrain16]

They both over reach and target the legal gun owners.

I agree, as stated above, but more importantly to my point, we need to help other folks, even non-gun owners, understand that if we can lose our rights, our legally owned property, because of some ballot measure, then they can be targeted in the future. There may be people that don't care about guns, but would see the potential that passing a law like this on a ballot measure could hurt something they care about down the road. Arbitrarily choosing what people can and can't own based on emotion, and nothing more, is a very dangerous place to go. Truly honest people will recognize this isn't the way to handle things.

 

[nammac]

@ob1 @Ura-Ki
I'm in total agreement that we need to get something from Knute in exchange for our support and vote. The items you gentlemen called out are a fine start for his first year in office.

We as gun owners need protection, we as American Citizens need our rights and protection placed above illegal immigrants. We need our state to stop harboring criminals of federal immigration laws and we need our state to cooperate with federal law enforcement on that very issue.

Additionally, we need to secure and fortify our schools and stop posting tax payer money away on special interest programs that return zero results for the dollars spent.

I think we need to form our own PAC, it can be called #GOOO (Gun Owners of Oregon). Knute needs to understand the price for the governorship, he's gonna be deep in GOOO...

 

[etrain16]

@ob1 @Ura-Ki
I'm in total agreement that we need to get something from Knute in exchange for our support and vote. The items you gentlemen called out are a fine start for his first year in office.

We as gun owners need protection, we as American Citizens need our rights and protection placed above illegal immigrants. We need our state to stop harboring criminals of federal immigration laws and we need our state to cooperate with federal law enforcement on that very issue.

Additionally, we need to secure and fortify our schools and stop posting tax payer money away on special interest programs that return zero results for the dollars spent.

I think we need to form our own PAC, it can be called #GOOO (Gun Owners of Oregon). Knute needs to understand the price for the governorship, he's gonna be deep in GOOO...

We just all need to remember - even if Knute were to win, if Oregonians don't prevent a super-majority of Democrats in Salem, any attempt by Knute to veto anti-gun legislation will be able to be overridden by the legislature - making him, essentially, a lame-duck governor with no real power. The legislature is the real fight in November - if we can't find a way to get the balance back, who ends up as governor will matter much less.

 

[JavaDude]

Here are some more interesting statistics I have calculated using the April registered voter's statistics when compared to the current votes cast on May 15th Primary Elections. What is going on for the top three listed counties to question this many ballots? Is it ineligible voters or shady workers holding back the votes? I would really like to know which party has the most ballots being held back.


County Ballots Under Review


· Multnomah 13% 15,740 U.R. compared to 121,472 Accepted

· Deschutes 10% 3,994 U.R. compared to 41,973 Accepted

· Washington 6% 5,200 U.R. compared to 87,086 Accepted

· Marion 2% 889 U.R. compared to 52,555 Accepted

· Clackamas 1% 672 U.R. compared to 64,421 Accepted

· Lane 1% 794 U.R. compared to 82,637 Accepted

· Columbia 1% 139 U.R. compared to 11,244 Accepted

· Lincoln .6% 83 U.R. compared to 14,852 Accepted

· Coos .5% 810 U.R. compared to 15,190 Accepted

· Linn .4% 994 U.R. compared to 26,047 Accepted

Oregon Secretary of State

 

[JavaDude]

I don't know if that's a foregone conclusion. It's one thing to elect politicians, but a single ballot measure can draw support from both sides of the isle. I've talked to a surprising number of Democrats since this all started that are absolutely against IP43, and will vote against it in November, if it makes the ballot. For pro-gun Dems and those who may not be pro-gun but are smart enough to see the far reaching ramifications for them down the road - this bill goes too far - way too far in infringing on personal property rights. Pass this law, and maybe another bill will pass requiring them to give up something they hold dear. It sets a very dangerous precedent for future ballot measures, some of which may be for retaliation, if nothing else.

People can vote their conscience on this one since they're not having to weigh multiple issues like they do when selecting a candidate. No social programs are on the chopping block if their preferred person doesn't win. This is a simple yes/no, and the yes could be very dangerous for them too.

So I will continue to hold out hope that there is a real chance to defeat IP43 in Oregon. That said, I would love to see both it and IP44 fail to make the ballot in the first place. Unfortunately, should one or both fail, I fully expect, if Oregonians don't release the Democrat strangle hold on the legislature in Salem, they will pick up all or part of these bills and ram them through as 'emergencies' - and there will be nothing we can do to stop them if they maintain the majority or worse yet, the super majority, this November.

Watch video 1:15 in to hear Kate say just this!!!

 

[Raidingtime]

Watch video 1:15 in to hear Kate say just this!!!

I'm throwing up.

I'm afraid to say it but I think she might get re elected..... I screwed up by registering as a pacific Green Party candidate this cycle and couldn't vote for demo or republican candidates. Honestly from what I see it's going to be cheese ball knute or giant brown turd.

 

[NW Backpacker]

Possibly a rare divergence with us @nammac .

I don't reward rinos without something tangible up front (and I don't mean the Rino's horn...that would hurt). And frankly, with his obvious platform slant on most other issues, who is to say he isn't working with Bloomberg bucks as well ?

He certainly wasn't concerned with 2A voters with his last vote.

Voting to keep guns away from convicted stalkers, or those determined to be a threat to a household member is not a big deal to me. If someone does things sufficient to make others think they might hurt someone, then I think it's reasonable to expect some consequences such as removal of firearms until they can convince the cops/courts that they are safe enough. Knute knew this bill would pass - he's a politician and knew he'd be running for Goobernator in 18 - he does not want Brown saying he allowed dangerous people to possess guns around the people they threatened. That probably was a factor in his yes vote.

This is the bill he voted for:
The Voter's Self Defense System

He voted pro-gun by voting against SB719 and HB4147:
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/135186/knute-buehler/37/guns#.WvzIk2rn85s

 

[ob1]

Voting to keep guns away from convicted stalkers, or those determined to be a threat to a household member is not a big deal to me. If someone does things sufficient to make others think they might hurt someone, then I think it's reasonable to expect some consequences such as removal of firearms until they can convince the cops/courts that they are safe enough. Knute knew this bill would pass - he's a politician and knew he'd be running for Goobernator in 18 - he does not want Brown saying he allowed dangerous people to possess guns around the people they threatened. That probably was a factor in his yes vote.

This is the bill he voted for:
The Voter's Self Defense System



He voted pro-gun by voting against SB719 and HB4147:
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/135186/knute-buehler/37/guns#.WvzIk2rn85s

Read the Fifth Amendment, codified by the Fourteenth Amendment, another gift from the founding fathers, just like the Second. "Lack of due process".

 

[NW Backpacker]

All Right, Somebody Gets It!!! Buy that man some beers!

I fully agree, its time to hold his feet to the fire and get some damn answers, or he will find him self recalled after he wins ( if he wins) and I agree, he needs to be giving US something! That something will include a vociferous defense of our 2nd rights, and full removal of "Sanctuary status" for this state, and full support of ICE in its quest to remove illegals! That's just the warm up!

Knute looks good on illegal immigration:
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/135186/knute-buehler/40/immigration#.WvzMMWrn85t

And he correctly voted against motor voter:
https://votesmart.org/bill/19544/51390/135186/establishes-automatic-voter-registration#.WvzNNWrn85s

Hopefully Carpenter and Wooldridge will endorse Knute. That would be helpful.

 

[NW Backpacker]

I am seriously contemplating registering as a dem next go round, as an attempt to undercut the worst progs

Run as a socialist promising free everything, reparations for all who have been wronged throughout history, confiscation of all guns, impeachment of Trump, Oregon votes go to the candidate that gets most popular votes nationwide, banning fossil fuel powered cars in the city limits of Portland, carbon tax, 50% subsidy for electric cars, tolls for freeways, pay to park on the street, separated bike lanes on every street, ban hunting, .........

The Dem would not have a chance.

 

[NW Backpacker]

Read the Fifth Amendment, codified by the Fourteenth Amendment, another gift from the founding fathers, just like the Second. "Lack of due process".

See bold text - where it appears they get at least some due process:

Prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm if such individual is the subject of a restraining order held by a family or household member of the individual, a child of a family or household member, or a child of the individual (Sec. 1).

• Prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm if such individual is the subject of a court order that finds the individual presents a physical threat to a family or household member of the individual, a child of a family or household member, or a child of the individual (Sec. 1).

• Prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm if such individual has been convicted of certain misdemeanors and was at the time a family or household member of the victim or a parent or guardian of the victim (Sec. 1).

• Prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm if such individual has been convicted of stalking (Sec. 1).

 

[ob1]

Uh....Of all those examples in the law that you cited, which one wasn't already enforced by existing law ?

Those examples were feel good excuses for those who didn't bother to do delve into the subject any further.

Or do you believe that a misdemeanor conviction should be elevated to include Felony level punishment without due process. Still even in this case the remedy already existed by means of restraining orders if the situation's severity so merits.

 

[nammac]

Watch video 1:15 in to hear Kate say just this!!!

Kate Brown should be removed from office for violation of the Oregon Consitiution and Bill of Rights, specifically the Second Amendment. I'm sure there's literally hundreds of Oregon law violations that she's committed...

That would be a beautiful thing...

 

[ob1]

That would be a beautiful thing...

Well' she at least has $250,000.00 in Bloomberg bucks for her attorney's retainer fee.

 

[JavaDude]

Well' she at least has $250,000.00 in Bloomberg bucks for her attorney's retainer fee.

Also $25,000 of Soros funds too!