National Bump Stock rule finalized

[CountryGent]

What did they say about binary triggers or was that adressed?

There is at least one positive reference to them in the ruling:

The Department disagrees that other firearms or devices, such as rifles, shotguns, and binary triggers, will be reclassified as machineguns under this rule.

 

[Joe Link]

Has this been published in the federal register yet? If so, which day do these become prohibited items?

 

[11Charlie]

Has this been published in the federal register yet? If so, which day do these become prohibited items?

Why are you worried Joe you don't own one!

 

[fredball]

JUST GOT THIS FROM THE ATF TODAY




e-ATF Web Updates

Bump Stock Ruling

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Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker announces that the Department of Justice has amended the regulations of ATF, clarifying that bump stocks fall within the definition of "machine gun" under federal law.


What You Should Know?

• Bump-stock-devices allow a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single trigger pull.
• The new rule goes into effect 90 days from the date of publication in the Federal Register.

What's Next?
ATF has created a new page to discuss options available for current owners of bump-stock-type firearms to allow them time to get rid of them by the effective date of the final rule. Owners can destroy the device by either melting, shredding, or crushing it. To learn more about destroying the devices, visit www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/bump-stocks/how-to-destroy



The second option for owners is to turn them in. It is preferred that owners contact their nearest ATF office to make an appointment. To find the location of your nearest ATF office visit: www.atf.gov/contact/local-atf-offices.



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[Jcon268]

There is at least one positive reference to them in the ruling:

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As I remember it, all slidefires were ATF approved as well. They were considered and allowed. Doesn't take more than a mass shooting and a years time to "knock those out" as well.

 

[Jcon268]

Well kids, looks like recess time is over. Uncle Sam is calling us back in to class. We had our chance to play and got to have our fun. But it looks like guns are just too dangerous for us after all. Better listen to Uncle Sam or he might put ya in time out for 10 years.

 

[etrain16]

What this ruling won't do:

• Stop any future shootings using bump stocks
• Get bump stocks off the streets and out of the hands of anyone
• Locate all those bump stocks - they're not registered items, so they'll be out there, forever, it's their word against yours
• Only be used as an 'after the fact' charge once someone is caught with one or uses one in a crime
• Make anyone, anywhere, safer

What this ruling will do:

• Likely put several manufacturers out of business, killing a number of jobs
• Pizz off a lot of voters
• Likely cost some politicians their seats
• Start a costly, years-long fight in the courts, costing millions in taxpayer dollars
• Possibly backfire on the ATF if the Supreme Court sides with us, at the very least requiring the GOV to pay for those stocks (I don't know the law supports a mandatory turn in without some sort of compensation)
• Create a new and thriving black market for bump stocks
• Bring more attention to bump stocks and how they can be used in crime, encouraging more folks that DON'T follow the law to continue down the same path

Just another smoke screen of phony promises for safety and security.

 

[Mooseman]

Mark my words... IF this is allowed to stand under the ATF LIE of it being a machine gun then BINARY Triggers are next, then will be semi-auto guns with over 5 round capacity, and on and on WE LOSE ! Shoestrings tied to Ak's have already been outlawed too.
ALL trigger enhancing devices will be next as will possibly light pull triggers.
I suggest donating to GOA to help with the Lawsuit they are filing against this.

 

[RicInOR]

Bump Stocks & Trump Administration -- How the Bump-Stock Rule Flagrantly Rewrites the Law | National Review

 

[Aispuro]

How to Destroy Bump Stocks | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

 

[fredball]

Now there will a boat load of shootings with this item and the post abouve has it right npw that they have their foot in the door skys the limit binary triggers are next then anything that holds more the 5 rds we will be considered a machine gun your pump home defence shot gun holds 6 rds

 

[CountryGent]

Why comply?

If you are found in possession of an unregistered machine-gun, one is looking at:

• Up to 10 years in Federal prison. With machine-guns, there is mandatory sentencing guidelines and one will spend some time in the joint. (I've seen first time offenders serve as little as 18 months for a MG offense, but most were longer.)
• A maximum fine of $250,000.
• The loss of your right to own firearms forever. The only way to have them restored is via presidential pardon.
• The loss of your right to vote in many states, the inability to obtain a passport, loss of access to public social benefits, legally denied housing, inability to work in some occupational fields, etc.

The agency involved has a record of aggressively pursuing prosecution. As an example, this year, they tried to convict someone of having an unregistered SBR because the owner added a a rubber cane tip to an arm-brace. They lost that one, but the conviction rate at the federal level is around 93%, according to the Department of Justice. Candidly, I would be surprised if they didn't make an example of some who kept them, but there is no way to predict the future.

This ruling is utter nonsense of the highest order, but there are potentially serious consequences if ignored. Anyone here may some day have to fight an unjust law or regulation and risk everything in the process. That is a sobering thought, but we have to be mentally prepared. Personally, if I owned the device in question, this would not be the battle I'd pick, but to each their own.

Parenthetically, I am aware of at least four pro-RKBA groups that have filed lawsuits on this ruling. Here's hoping they prevail.

 

[ZA_Survivalist]

If you are found in possession of an unregistered machine-gun, one is looking at:

• Up to 10 years in Federal prison. With machine-guns, there is mandatory sentencing guidelines and one will spend some time in the joint. (I've seen first time offenders serve as little as 18 months for a MG offense, but most were longer.)
• A maximum fine of $250,000.
• The loss of your right to own firearms forever. The only way to have them restored is via presidential pardon.
• The loss of your right to vote in many states, the inability to obtain a passport, loss of access to public social benefits, legally denied housing, inability to work in some occupational fields, etc.

The agency involved has a record of aggressively pursuing prosecution. As an example, this year, they tried to convict someone of having an unregistered SBR because the owner added a a rubber cane tip to an arm-brace. They lost that one, but the conviction rate at the federal level is around 93%, according to the Department of Justice. Candidly, I would be surprised if they didn't make an example of some who kept them, but there is no way to predict the future.

This ruling is utter nonsense of the highest order, but there are potentially serious consequences if ignored. Anyone here may some day have to fight an unjust law or regulation and risk everything in the process. That is a sobering thought, but we have to be mentally prepared. Personally, if I owned the device in question, this would not be the battle I'd pick, but to each their own.

Parenthetically, I am aware of at least four pro-RKBA groups that have filed lawsuits on this ruling. Here's hoping they prevail.

Worth it

 

[notazombie]

JUST GOT THIS FROM THE ATF TODAY



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Bump Stock Ruling

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Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker announces that the Department of Justice has amended the regulations of ATF, clarifying that bump stocks fall within the definition of "machine gun" under federal law.


What You Should Know?

• Bump-stock-devices allow a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single trigger pull.
• The new rule goes into effect 90 days from the date of publication in the Federal Register.

What's Next?
ATF has created a new page to discuss options available for current owners of bump-stock-type firearms to allow them time to get rid of them by the effective date of the final rule. Owners can destroy the device by either melting, shredding, or crushing it. To learn more about destroying the devices, visit www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/bump-stocks/how-to-destroy



The second option for owners is to turn them in. It is preferred that owners contact their nearest ATF office to make an appointment. To find the location of your nearest ATF office visit: www.atf.gov/contact/local-atf-offices.


View attachment 529438
ATF Resources

• Website: www.atf.gov
• Open Data: https://data.atf.gov/
• Social Media: https://www.atf.gov/news/social-media

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Why would the ATF have a picture of Waco at the top of their page? They should really have a chat with their marketing team.

 

[Slobray]

Why would the ATF have a picture of Waco at the top of their page? They should really have a chat with their marketing team.

Because they're really really proud of that day. Any day they can lord anything over the public is a good day for them. I wouldn't be surprised if all of the wanna be tyrants working for the ATF (99% of the employees), are walking around with a permanent grin today (and most likely for the next few days), because of the bump stock ban.



Ray

 

[kenboy]

Don't know why anyone would want to do it but could an individual file for a class III permit for their bump stock as it would be treated the same as a machine gun?

 

[bolus]

Don't know why anyone would want to do it but could an individual file for a class III permit for their bump stock as it would be treated the same as a machine gun?

no. unless you are a manufacturer and properly licensed.

just like you cant twist a piece of coat hanger like this because it would be considered a machine gun. You cant register it after you twist it either

 

[Aispuro]

Tragic: Every Single Bump Stock In Nation Suddenly Lost In Boating Accident

 

[Jcon268]

What's complete and utter bullbubblegum is that they can't even come up with the funds for a buyback. bubbleguming disgraceful. In fact the fine for just ONE person caught with a bumpstock would pay for almost every other bump stock in this country under a buyback but they can't seem to make it work. None of these elite politicians who move mountains of wealth with the stroke of a pen can seem to follow the Constitution to make it happen. May they choke on their treasonous waste.

 

[oneharmonic]

All so our fearless leader could have a nice photo op: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1075159426968027136