Washington Bob Fergusons Ban on Commonly Owned Semi-Autos

[Diamondback]

But the way this bill's worded, because you can get >10rd mags for it the 1911 is an "assault weapon" too!

 

[boogerhook]

#1 - not sure you can get a larger mag for a single stack 1911
#2 - the magazine size, if detachable, does not make your gun an AW - the magazine itself is banned (grandfathered, but not allowed to be carried during transport) See Section 1, 27 (c) and Section 2 (3)

 

[eightyeight mag]

It has nothing to do with thinking the 2nd amendment was referring to militias or not understanding the different kind of firearms/functions.
These elitists like Ferguson do not want you to own a single shot shotgun. This is the just the tip of their trickle down gun control.
They will never rest till we are like the UK.
They will push hard for restrictions and then pull back and pretend to compromise. Maybe just a 10 round limit. (Overton Window). Then they will be back for more. These mfers will never stop.
Neither should we

 

[Caveman Jim]

It has nothing to do with thinking the 2nd amendment was referring to militias or not understanding the different kind of firearms/functions.
These elitists like Ferguson do not want you to own a single shot shotgun. This is the just the tip of their trickle down gun control.
They will never rest till we are like the UK.
They will push hard for restrictions and then pull back and pretend to compromise. Maybe just a 10 round limit. (Overton Window). Then they will be back for more. These mfers will never stop.
Neither should we

You got that right, they are some Tenacious Bassturds but we have to be there to oppose them at every turn of their seething forked tongues!!!!

 

[boogerhook]

Yes, agreed. A zero gun strategy. The argument will remain the same. There is still gun violence, so we must do more. Salami tactics. One slice at the time. And before you know it, you ate the whole thing.

 

[whitney]

Thanks for your insight, I have actually been in contact with them regarding the files you mentioned. Right now I am in the hurry up and wait mode. I also sent a similar FOIA to the state insurance commissioner office.

~Whitney

FOIA response from the insurance commissioner is pretty weak. LINK@my Dropbox
At any rate it appears there may be some action from his office based on his "personal" views and following "talking points".

*Assault weapons and high-volume magazines increase the risk that someone will be hurt.
*Insurance prices are based on risk, so owning or handling those weapons increase everyone's risk, both of injury or death and of facing higher insurance premiums because people own them.
*This is an issue Commissioner Kreidler cares about on a personal level. It's an issue he worked on when he served in Congress.


I do not like this one bit.

~Whitney

 

[Diamondback]

Democrats EXISTING increases the risk that somebody's gonna get hurt because of their recklessness, incompetence and malice. What's he gonna do about THAT?

 

[jackrv]

If a 10-22 with furniture (folding stock and threaded barrel) is considered a weapon of war, why not ask our military to defend our country with .22s? We know the answer, don't we.

We do, the M-4 / M-16 line of rifles

 

[whitney]

This is batch 4 of my FOIA request. I am still fighting to get the attachments not previously included in batch 2.
This batch contains some media information with Seattle times and local news stations.

It appears the AG office is basing their argument on the Heller decision.

View Media - Washington State Digital Archives


Dropbox - B4 PC.pdf

~Whitney

 

[boogerhook]

We do, the M-4 / M-16 line of rifles

I saw that coming ;-) so let me rephrase : ".22 rimfire"

 

[whitney]

This is batch 5 of my FOIA request and likely the last I will receive from the AG office on this topic.
Most of the stuff here is redundant but I did finally get the memo and attachments I have been asking for.
Following are page numbers with new or curious information that may require a follow on request.

P97; Aldo's memo with the original draft revisions. Note the experts quoted are Seattle Times, Ceasefire, and Mayors against Illegal guns. Arguments are centered around the U. S. Constitution and the Heller decision. Page 102 contains the excell spreadsheet information comparing state bans. A better version appears on page 903.

P396; Discussion with regard to the "best definition" of "assault weapon". Seems the AG cant define it either.

P443; Comparison and discussion of differences in the drafts, specifically Z-0113.2 and z-0113.w, both of which have been withheld from me until this response.

P513; Senator Frockt appears to use gmail for state buisiness; [email protected] ??? Later Frokt states to use his official mail and the recipient states he doesn't know how he could have used a personal email address.

P529; Who is Joel Stonington; [email protected] (thinking outloud, it is apparent later)

P543; Robert Sibler; @statsonsibler.com, appear to be workmans compensation attourneys. ??

P556; Who is [email protected] ?? Davor?

P615; Davor G Jurasic; [email protected]; DAVOR GJURASIC | accesshub ? Paid lobbyist

P677; AG meeting w/ <broken link removed> requested by paid lobbyist Davor Jurasic

P779; Magazine language and common threads with other bans.

P827; What is the Constituents Correspondence Tracking Notebook? CCTN. What are the stats from all the tallied comments with regard to Agree vs Disagree? FOIA this Information separately.

P833; Seattle Brady Chapter, [email protected] (Was not aware the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence had state chapters)

P873; Al Jazeera interview with AG Ferguson ??

P903; Best image of xcell spreadsheet comparing state gun bans.

P970; Interesting e-mail albeit incomplete.

P1526; This is the original intent of prohibition from the horses mouth.

I'm glad they don't charge by the page. !! There is a lot more to say on this as it will likely get around to a citizen initiative.

~Whitney

PS I want to remind this audience my argument with regard to unconstitutional bans is centered around the Washington State Constitution, NOT the U.S. Constitution. Our state version is much stronger than the U. S. version.

 

[Diamondback]

I'll bet CCTN basically means anyone who opposes gets marked for Kristallnacht later...