National Biden bans 80% receivers

[nammac]

Yes it has been signed by the A.G.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/rulemaking/final-rule-2021r-05f-definition-frame-or-receiver-and-identification/download

Considering it's 364 pages, who else believes this was already written, just waiting for the opportunity?

 

[clanhanson]

Like chickens advocating for Colonel Sanders.

The two party system sadly doesn't work well if one isn't a single-issue voter.

 

[Knebel]

Who actually voted this into law? I never heared anything like the house and senate passing it? Is it an executive order?

 

[nammac]

Who actually voted this into law? I never heared anything like the house and senate passing it? Is it an executive order?

That is a directive to the ATF I believe…

 

[arakboss]

Who actually voted this into law? I never heared anything like the house and senate passing it? Is it an executive order?

Think bumpstock ban.

 

[Knebel]

So like...someone gets a fax that says 'memo from the chief' pretty much? Sorry I dont know how exactly that works, i thought laws are made by votes in house and senat.


Edit: i thought the bumpstocks were an executive order?

 

[BAJ475]

How would the new regs apply if I started with a bar of 4140 heat treated steel or 7075 aluminum and ended up with a completed 2011 frame?

 

[Yarome]

Is it an executive order?

Yup. That's what happens when ol Joe can't get congress to do what he wants them to. Use excutive powers over the departments he controls as a loophole to make it happen without requiring the approval of the American people.

 

[03A3Sporter]

This won't stand the legal challenges, he knows it. The Gun Control Act would have to be re written for this opaque rule to have any semblance of legality.

 

[Knebel]

How would the new regs apply if I started with a bar of 4140 heat treated steel or 7075 aluminum and ended up with a completed 2011 frame?

Steel and aluminium bars will have to have a serial or they will be illegal.

 

[nammac]

Guess this would have to be serialized too if it ever changed hands

 

[American123]

The two party system sadly doesn't work well if one isn't a single-issue voter.

Everyone is a single issue voter at the end of the day, because there is always THE issue that tips the scale.

 

[Yarome]

How would the new regs apply if I started with a bar of 4140 heat treated steel or 7075 aluminum and ended up with a completed 2011 frame?

If they get their way... "anything" that "could" be used in the construction of a firearm "could" be classed as such and require serialization and registration. What "will" they determine and actively enforce is yet to be seen, but any smart money would be on... "if it's not yet, they sure as bubblegum will try to make it be".

 

[Koda]

Is there a condensed version?

I know many will say npr is liberal but I thought this was a good simplified breakdown. The way I read it ...for now anyways, is they arent prohibiting ghost guns they are requireing them to be serialized if sold. That of course does open a whole new can of worms but for now they are addressing the completed guns.

The Biden administration is regulating 'ghost guns.' Here's what the rule does

With the latest announcement from the Biden administration, here's a look at what so-called "ghost guns" are and what the government's new rule does.

www.npr.org

 

[Koda]

How would the new regs apply if I started with a bar of 4140 heat treated steel or 7075 aluminum and ended up with a completed 2011 frame?

the way Im reading it, for now... is it doesnt affect the kits. You can still buy them. What Im reading is the new rules apply if you sell or transfer an unserialized gun they now have to be serialized.

Im not certain how this applies to ghost guns prior to this ruling that were voluntarily serialized by the builder in case they were stolen.

 

[Yarome]

The way I read it ...for now anyways, is they arent prohibiting ghost guns they are requireing them to be serialized if sold. That of course does open a whole new can of worms but for now they are addressing the completed guns.

That seems more like just something they threw in along with the main intent of the rule. The main intent being to button hole the 80% industry and slow the proliferation of home built firearms by requiring a BCG.

The by-product reality though is that the cost of being licensed and serializing 80% parts is going to put a crap ton of small businesses out of the market.

Thanks again, Joe~!

 

[Yarome]

You can still buy them.

You "can", but they would be serialized and require an FFL and BGC to purchase.. the same as any regular firearm.

Next on the agenda.... the 3D printer industry!!

 

[Koda]

.....actually yes, agree anyways how I'm reading it so far... new kits will have to be serialized or sold thru an ffl who serializes them, essentially killing the whole point of a ghost gun build, the whole idea of the new rule.

so far, im not seeing anything about existing kits, so essentially grandfathered in.

and then, it doesnt tackle 3D printers and technology. At this time anyways. Much more complicated I think they set that aside for now.

 

[Knebel]

Then the question is, why would I buy a serialized 80% and have to do all the work if I could get a done lower!? I guess this is the goal?

 

[Yarome]

so far, im not seeing anything about existing kits, so essentially grandfathered in.

and then, it doesnt tackle 3D printers and technology. At this time anyways. Much more complicated I think they set that aside for now.

Yup. Only if you were to sell a home build as I read it. And then, I don't know if it really only impacts sales directly to an FFL or private party transfers, too.

That would be funny if you had to do a BCG to purchase a 3D printer, but then again... I bet my great grandpap was crackin jokes around the fireplace with his buddies about how ludacris it would be if you had to pass a BGC to buy an ol' shotty off a buddy. We allowed THAT to happen!