Bellevue Gun Store Robbed

[HB of CJ]

Various Powers-That-Be placing various impossible Business Plan road blocks at the feet of Enterprising Retail Businesses is not new. I know because it happened TO ME back in the mid to late 1980s. California. My best guess here is that the gun shop burglarized either had minimum insurance or no insurance. Only the big boy outfits who SELF INSURE probably have enough physical criminal deterrents.

The added necessary perhaps or not necessary security expenses would have to be passed on to the wholesale or retail buyer. Those shops, manufactures or minor players who offer decent or even excellent wholesale or retail pricing do so at a large business risk. There is no free lunch. For a business to have superior, (not adequate) physical security would not remain long in business? This is the fact of business life.

 

[206thsense]

This wasn't Cabela's - it was a place that obviously overlooked a vulnerable point in it's security. And I believe a couple extra hours locking up the guns WOULD have been cheaper in the long run....

I've been to this shop several times. The parking lot actually sits to the side of the store. You have to walk up a narrow road to access the front doors. The space is small, but according to the articles, the thieves used a stolen car to smash the front. A small sedan *might* fit, but there's not a lot of runway space for a straight shot at high speed. You'd have to accelerate from the side *then* yank the wheel suddenly left to smash the front doors.

Background Check Bypass: Burglars Hit WA Gun Store - Liberty Park Press

 

[EPS]

Why were the guns NOT in a safe for the night?

Big gun store like this don't put all the guns they have in a safe basically they would need a bank voult to hold all the guns they have

 

[RVTECH]

Big gun store like this don't put all the guns they have in a safe basically they would need a bank voult to hold all the guns they have

Well I guess they should have had something then ya think?

 

[Camelfilter]

This wasn't Cabela's - it was a place that obviously overlooked a vulnerable point in it's security. And I believe a couple extra hours locking up the guns WOULD have been cheaper in the long run....

Not jumpin on ya, but it would easily be a couple hours per day.

Let's call it 2. X5 business days, x52weeks...520 hours.

How many small businesses can afford 520 nonproductive manhours in a single year?

It'd likely take longer per day, handling them properly so as not to get dinged, oil wipe after handling each time etc etc.

 

[HB of CJ]

But ... begging an important question after the fact here ... has anybody actually timed how much time it takes for two, (2) or three, (3) quick fast employees to grab all the guns off the shelves ... INCLUDING ALL GUNS and place them into a big vault or multiple large gun safes? Rolling padded parts carts? A practiced over and over set procedure to remove and place into very secure storage HUNDREDS of rifles, shotguns and handguns? I would go ESPECIALLY further and include multiple for sale Suppressors?

I would include all the retail stuff that is expensive. Not just guns, major accessories or suppressors.

Figure $50 bucks per hour per employee? Money figure may be low. Time how long it takes. To the second. Then multiply that times the number of says open for business. Get an exact figure. Then run that money cost up against what it costs for some physical security some good insurance companies would recognize .... or some licensing bureaucrat to understand? Runs those $numbers$ for years. You might find that at some important future point, it is cheaper to buy, install and use the physical deterrents.

OR NOT. If you run self insured and lots of folks and businesses do, figure out that advantage ... or non advantage.

A business must understand to the penny how much it costs per employee ... per hour. If you do not you are doomed.

Edited Extra: 50 bucks per hour TOTAL cost of an excellent keeper employee may be either high or low. Or ... how much is the business owners time worth? Dunno.

 

[EPS]

Well I guess they should have had something then ya think?

Dude this happens every day in the United States yes if I owned a gun store I would lock up all my guns but I would pass the exspesive prosses of doing it to my costumer look at it this way GUN CONTROL IS WORKING BAD GUY'S CAN'T BUY GUNS SO THEY ARE STEALING THEM L WHO NEW those GUNS are almost to the MEXICAN BORDER BY NOW

 

[Bushman]

40-50 firearms, that has got to be a gang...WOW!!

 

[RVTECH]

How many small businesses can afford 520 nonproductive manhours in a single year?

So the loss of 40-50 guns is an acceptable compromise to the nonproductive manhours ?
Lets do the math - 520 hours at approx $20 per = $10,400
40 guns (minimum) @ average $350 (estimate) per - $14,000
legal time, repairs etc. - ?
I'd take the 520 hours...

 

[EPS]

But ... begging an important question after the fact here ... has anybody actually timed how much time it takes for two, (2) or three, (3) quick fast employees to grab all the guns off the shelves ... INCLUDING ALL GUNS and place them into a big vault or multiple large gun safes? Rolling padded parts carts? A practiced over and over set procedure to remove and place into very secure storage HUNDREDS of rifles, shotguns and handguns? I would go ESPECIALLY further and include multiple for sale Suppressors?

I would include all the retail stuff that is expensive. Not just guns, major accessories or suppressors.

Figure $50 bucks per hour per employee? Money figure may be low. Time how long it takes. To the second. Then multiply that times the number of says open for business. Get an exact figure. Then run that money cost up against what it costs for some physical security some good insurance companies would recognize .... or some licensing bureaucrat to understand? Runs those $numbers$ for years. You might find that at some important future point, it is cheaper to buy, install and use the physical deterrents.

OR NOT. If you run self insured and lots of folks and businesses do, figure out that advantage ... or non advantage.

A business must understand to the penny how much it costs per employee ... per hour. If you do not you are doomed.

I just posted it time is money

 

[DenimChicken]

I think they had this happen last year also.

 

[EPS]

So the loss of 40-50 guns is an acceptable compromise to the nonproductive manhours ?
Lets do the math - 520 hours at approx $20 per = $10,400
40 guns (minimum) @ average $350 (estimate) per - $14,000
legal time, repairs etc. - ?
I'd take the 520 hours...

There is nothing you can do if someone wants to take what you have they will find a way people still Rob Banks even though 98%of bank robbers get caught

 

[EPS]

I think they had this happen last year also.

This is the 3rd time same store

 

[RVTECH]

Dude this happens every day in the United States yes if I owned a gun store I would lock up all my guns but I would pass the exspesive prosses of doing it to my costumer look at it this way GUN CONTROL IS WORKING BAD GUY'S CAN'T BUY GUNS SO THEY ARE STEALING THEM L WHO NEW those GUNS are almost to the MEXICAN BORDER BY NOW

Damit mister I believe ya! No need to work so hard to convince me of something we already know!

 

[RVTECH]

This is the 3rd time same store

Wow you would think they would have wised up after the 2nd time!

 

[Bushman]

So the loss of 40-50 guns is an acceptable compromise to the nonproductive manhours ?
Lets do the math - 520 hours at approx $20 per = $10,400
40 guns (minimum) @ average $350 (estimate) per - $14,000
legal time, repairs etc. - ?
I'd take the 520 hours...

A few flaws here. The guns and the damage are covered by the insurance policy. Paying people labor wages is not. It's an expense. And I highly doubt the guys even at the Bellevue gun shop are making $20 an hour. The guys at Bullseye and most other gun shops I've talked to told me they make minimum wage. Even a supervisor at Wades in Bellevue makes/made $10-11 an hour Wade's Eastside Guns Salaries | Glassdoor

Plus where the heck did you get the figure of 520 hours? To top it off you can't really average the guns to $350 per gun because you don't have the range of numbers to calculate a basic average. The numbers you presented are nothing but your subjective opinion based on no facts at all. In reality, the number of years he has avoided paying labor vs one loss event even not covered by insurance would put him ahead, and one that is covered by insurance puts him even further ahead, not to mention he will likely have come out financially ahead when you calculated the certainty equivalent and the natural log.

 

[EPS]

Wow you would think they would have wised up after the 2nd time!

Yep you would think but like I said those GUNS are almost or in Mexico by now YOU DON'T STEAL 50 GUNS AND SALE THEM ON THE STREET somebody's going to talk or get caught with one

 

[11Charlie]

Wow you would think they would have wised up after the 2nd time!

Now its starting to sound like insurance fraud! Really who doesn't take measures to fix something after the first time you get robbed!

 

[RVTECH]

Plus where the heck did you get the figure of 520 hours? T

I didn't get the figure - it was estimated in a previous post from another member

Not jumpin on ya, but it would easily be a couple hours per day.
Let's call it 2. X5 business days, x52weeks...520 hours.

 

[Camelfilter]

Now its starting to sound like insurance fraud! Really who doesn't take measures to fix something after the first time you get robbed!

Small businesses who can't afford to.