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Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by RVTECH, Jun 26, 2012.
Interesting response about CC/OC on a non-gun related forum where the issue came up:
If I wanted to bring a taser against a bear, or drugged out face muncher just to make it interesting sure, and what are my odds against an armed assailant 7 yards away? How well will a taser work against 3 people armed with knives?
What if they lived with someone with a motorcycle and hated how naked and unsafe it made them feel. Should we outlaw motorcycles?
What if their brother was allergic to bees and got stung and died?
What if they died from eating a peanut?
What if they were in a plane crash?
How many things can we remove from this world before they feel safe?
So don't carry. Your life, your dime, your choice. But, personaly, it makes me feel safer when out and about. And, about your common sense, I agree, it is not likely it will be needed. If at is the case, then no harm no foul. You sound like people who legally carry are out looking for a chance to use the weapon.
IF it is needed, then it is there. It would be sad it you are harmed because you had no means to protect yourself; but, in my opinion, it would be much worse, if I were the one harmed by following your advice.
Again, you dime, your choice,
Why are you pointing at the OP? OP never said that is how he felt, he is reporting a response from someone else.............
Sounded to me like he was addressing the OP's quote, not the OP directly.
In order to keep it on topic, I agree with enjr4, if you don't want to carry, that is fine. It is when you don't want me to carry that it becomes a problem. ("You" in the sense of anyone else, not a specific person.) This is in the same way that if you want to be a certain religion, that is fine. But when you want me to convert to said religion, don't be mad if I tell you to go pound sand. Live and let live.
Thanks everyone - I am just trying to gather thoughts for an intelligent, rational response to this on the forum it is on.
I have used a hand gun for a self defense situation. I hate the fact that it happened and I still have a PTSD problem that Im being treated for. I can say that 99% of people who carry a firearm have absolutely no desire to shoot some one. But if I was not armed I would have been killed.
I still carry a pistol and will for the rest of my life. Using a firearm will affect you for the rest of your days, but you will have those day if you survive.
I guess what Im trying to say is you need to be able to protect yourself and your family, and a taser or pepper spray is a joke.
Carry every day, everywhere you go and pray you will never have to use it.
I don't understand why so many people have fire extinguisers in their kitchens...
but having an absolutely lethal weapon in your pocket makes no sense and puts the public in general at risk.---- I have never understood this line. I have heard it over and over, but do not understand it. How is a lawful law abiding person become a risk and puts the general public at risk while carring a gun?
Because, as we all know, a gun can jump out of someone's pocket and fire at people all on its own. Or the "gun toting" citizen can lose their mind and run amok shooting people left and right.
I don't understand it either. I'm sure I was thoroughly investigated before being issued a license to carry concealed. If I was a risk to humanity, they probably would have found that out, either then, or by now.
The idea that choosing to carry a weapon makes you "nervous" or trigger happy is absurd. What makes me nervous is not feeling the pressure from my pistol on my hip. I feel naked without it anymore. Am I likely to need it for self defense? Probably not, but if you do and you don't have it-and you're lucky enough to survive, you'll certainly wish you had had it. I'd be willing to bet the potential woman you save from being raped and murdered in a dark alley will be damn thankful you have it too. The world is a dangerous and scary place sometimes and I just don't have any interest in being helpless when it comes to trying to prevent the loss of life of myself or others.
As one who has had the occasion to show I was armed and wouldn't be a victim I can say I don't care what others think or say.
Y'know, any CCer can tell you that when you're carrying you're extra careful, extra polite, not given to road rage, always leave the middle finger at home, and are SOBER at all times. We CCers have far lower rates of all crimes than the gen-pop, except for domestic violence, where the rates are more comparable (but still lower).
As far as the author is concerned, he clearly needs an education about just how MANY criminal encounters are ended because a would-be victim is armed. The overwhelming majority end with NO SHOTS FIRED. It's essential that we get the message out there that the NCVS study is no good, the methodology was flawed, and it was a politically motivated hack job from the get-go. Self defense with a CC weapon is a lot less rare than you'd think by that one old, skewed study.
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There is no rationale response to an irrational statement
Those who choose not to be prepared, choose to be a victim. its as simple as that. its the reality of the world we live in and we have to adapt.
Translation: "Guns are icky and scary and they go on shooty killing sprees all by themselves when carried in public."
There is no rational response to such statements that will change this idiot's mind except to point out that if you need a taser (illegal in MANY states) you will be much safer with a gun in your hand instead. He's not even arguing that you are so unlikely to need a gun that it's better to be unarmed, which is a lot more supportable (if still incorrect) claim. He's arguing that guns are icky and scary.
Revoke his man-card and move on to a better class of people.
Simply say, "Because we can. I exercise my right to keep and bear arms, just like you exercise your right to free speech."
Should certain individuals not be allowed to talk simply because others don't care to hear what they have to say? The reasons for carrying are important enough to our country as a whole to have ratified them into the Bill of Rights along with other rights such as freedom of religion, protection from eminent domain and the right to civil trial by jury; all rights which I'm sure the person likely believes firmly in. Perhaps that person should look into a handgun safety course so they better understand the responsibilities of someone legally carrying.
And remember that the First Amendment was almost legislated out of existance by the gov't and not allowing PAC's to contact the people near an election. That's all it would take to erase the Second!!
I have decided it isn't worth my time to worry about the sensibilities of idiots and whiners.
You should just tell them to leave the seat up when they finish having a pee.