National Anarchists and Guns

[DuneHopper]

Both extremes - left and right - are big on claims and being macho/etc. - both have no mainstream support.

I think you might want to dig deeper, they have a huge support base that has gained support in the last 6 months, from and unlikely source . They have joined with one of the largest gun owner base in the country. One our side failed to work with. They have one of the largest firearms followings on Facebook and are now working against Trump with Anifta.
Not sure why people are not aware, its been all over the internet and growing every week.

 

[RVTECH]

I think you might want to dig deeper, they have a huge support base that has gained support in the last 6 months

Would this be the Socialist Rifle Association?
If so who Is the 'largest gun owner base in the Country' they have joined with?

 

[Member 5605]

I hope they arm (or try to) themselves and realize that it's not as easy as the media portrays and then fight to loosen restrictions.

I'd like to see the anarchists in Chicago arm themselves.

 

[BillyJean]

I believe the 2A simply acknowledges the US government will not infringe on the natural right all of us have to arm and defend ourselves.

There are several reasons why the author points out she's a left wing anarchist:
1. There are right wing anarchists (anarcho-fascists and others). Generally anarchism is not about chaos but about equality and a direct hand for everyone in decision making for the group. You can define it plenty of ways, but you're not going to be having the same conversation as her if you're not agreeing to your terms.
2. Her audience is liberals who think gun people are all "right wing gun nuts," and she's trying to soften them up to 2A views

Personally I find her reaching out to liberals with a pro-2A message to be excellent outreach. It's where we all need more support and understanding of guns and our rights. She's speaking to antis and spreading the gun love in a way they might be able to understand. We need the help.

 

[RVTECH]

Personally I find her reaching out to liberals with a pro-2A message to be excellent outreach. It's where we all need more support and understanding of guns and our rights. She's speaking to antis and spreading the gun love in a way they might be able to understand. We need the help.

I wonder if she will still be considering her 'Pro 2A message' at voting time.....

 

[The Heretic]

I wonder if she will still be considering her 'Pro 2A message' at voting time.....

In my experience - such people only think they should have guns - if anybody should.

 

[RVTECH]

Well I have NO experience with 'anarchists' or ANTIFA types other than what I see in the news or read on the 'net but from what I see these types are spreading very 'Anti American' messages and the 2A is an American institution.
It obvious to me these types do not own guns for what I consider to typical reasons as espoused by the 2A.

 

[BillyJean]

I wonder if she will still be considering her 'Pro 2A message' at voting time.....

Great question. Typically anarchists make a point of *not* voting.

If I was a betting man I'd say she doesn't consider 2A an American thing so much as a natural law thing, but I certainly hear your point loud and clear.

 

[Will_White]

Well I have NO experience with 'anarchists' or ANTIFA types other than what I see in the news or read on the 'net but from what I see these types are spreading very 'Anti American' messages and the 2A is an American institution.
It obvious to me these types do not own guns for what I consider to typical reasons as espoused by the 2A.

What reasons are espoused by the 2A? Seems like believing that the government is tyrannical and needs to be kept in check is directly in line with the 2A. Not that I agree with them.

 

[The Heretic]

Great question. Typically anarchists make a point of *not* voting.

If I was a betting man I'd say she doesn't consider 2A an American thing so much as a natural law thing, but I certainly hear your point loud and clear.

Almost every right in the Constitution is a Natural Right, and therefore part of Natural Law.

Of course, what one person thinks is Natural Law may be quite different from what another thinks, but again, there is the mainstream.

My point was that the Constitution recognizes and enumerates some of our Natural Rights - it doesn't create them. They are not just an "American thing" - everyone has these rights, but very few countries have a legal system that recognizes that fact.

If Antifa really understood and advocated for Natural Law/Rights, I doubt they would go around destroying private property and attacking people for disagreeing with them. Judging by their actions, I think they are just a bunch of kids (including 'adults' who never grew up) who get a kick out of rioting and being part of a mob.

 

[BillyJean]

Almost every right in the Constitution is a Natural Right, and therefore part of Natural Law.

Of course, what one person thinks is Natural Law may be quite different from what another thinks, but again, there is the mainstream.

My point was that the Constitution recognizes and enumerates some of our Natural Rights - it doesn't create them. They are not just an "American thing" - everyone has these rights, but very few countries have a legal system that recognizes that fact.

If Antifa really understood and advocated for Natural Law/Rights, I doubt they would go around destroying private property and attacking people for disagreeing with them. Judging by their actions, I think they are just a bunch of kids (including 'adults' who never grew up) who get a kick out of rioting and being part of a mob.

Agree with your point on natural law. I believe what I've said above aligns with what you're saying in this respect.

 

[RVTECH]

Judging by their actions, I think they are just a bunch of kids (including 'adults' who never grew up) who get a kick out of rioting and being part of a mob.

And add guns to the equation and it's only a matter of time until they are used.
Google 'Greensboro Massacre' for a historical account of what was a protest over similar issues - and ended very badly.
But hey, As long as they are LEGAL gun owners, are handled and safely carried I have no basis for argument.

 

[DuneHopper]

Would this be the Socialist Rifle Association?
If so who Is the 'largest gun owner base in the Country' they have joined with?

Ya know about six months ago I left the group here for a vacation, and was discussing just this topic prior. About damn near got my head chewed off for trying to post newsworthy stuff like this even though everything I report ends up being known later.
Lets just say a group that was turned away from here, ended up taking ranks with Anifta.
I will say if you read what I typed they are the largest base, to clarify in their political movement in this country. With 10's of thousands of members according to what was recently posted. No idea if SRA is part or not.
All I can comment, I really want to keep my posts of the mods radar, seems I end up touching allot nerves when I start posting about Anifta and affiliations. Hope that helps.

( PS just to be fair, this is not a politically active group, so I am trying to avoid posting anything not gun related )

 

[NW Backpacker]

Your first mistake was reading anything on Vox.

Absolutely right! That article was the biggest steaming pile of crap I've read in a loooooong time!

However, as others have indicated, if she can get antis to vote pro 2A, good for her.

 

[NW Backpacker]

Ya know about six months ago I left the group here for a vacation, and was discussing just this topic prior. About damn near got my head chewed off for trying to post newsworthy stuff like this even though everything I report ends up being known later.
Lets just say a group that was turned away from here, ended up taking ranks with Anifta.
I will say if you read what I typed they are the largest base, to clarify in their political movement in this country. With 10's of thousands of members according to what was recently posted. No idea if SRA is part or not.
All I can comment, I really want to keep my posts of the mods radar, seems I end up touching allot nerves when I start posting about Anifta and affiliations. Hope that helps.

( PS just to be fair, this is not a politically active group, so I am trying to avoid posting anything not gun related )

Come on DuneHopper! Don't keep us in the dark; spill the beans! If the name of the largest base of gun owners isn't gun related, WHAT IS?????

 

[DuneHopper]

Come on DuneHopper! Don't keep us in the dark; spill the beans! If the name of the largest base of gun owners isn't gun related, WHAT IS?????

Its sex related and also names a group associated here, it goes much deeper then just the association of Guns and I already know I will catch hell if I open up that can of worms. But it falls within this topic just the areas need discussing are outside what allowed here. I mean when we are talking Anarchist that can go way outside what is allowed here. This is not a political rights group. Tis a gun group. I should not have not brought it up, but felt like a warning shot over the bow was in order. As seem many are not seeing the big picture. Again sorry should have kept the Intel to myself, was not the right place to bring it up.

 

[Goosebrown]

And don't eat the pudding that may wind up in your shorts!!

Perhaps most importantly, don't eat the pudding you find IN your shorts.

 

[nwslopoke]

I can't point to any event where the classic "right wing", "militia", "III %" groups with guns at protest or rallies started shooting in public. I have no fear of these groups based on time and experience. I don't see them hide their faces, put hands on people or fail to engage in honest conversation.

The complete opposite of the antifa groups. Who we have seen attack women, the elderly, people if color and be homophobic. Not the kind of people I trust with guns. Also, wuth their faces covered, how will the authorities have any idea they are in compliance with current gun laws? Not that it would matter.

 

[HuckleberryFun]

The Liberal Gun Club got a mention in an article in The New Republic about lefties gunning up.
Apparently, the LGC is the "moderate and traditionalist" wing of the movement. I guess we are the nice, non-threatening ones. (FYI, lefties do not consider liberals as being of the Left)

Antifa Is Arming Itself Against a Trump Crackdown

 

[slimmer13]

That's the worst bunch of drivel I've read in a while.