2nd amendment in trouble

[BrentN]

I saw it. And didn't want to argue....lol. The mods didn't like what you posted because this is an open public forum and they feel you could make gun owners look bad. Keep in mind that there are more than just mods reading your postings, probably a lot more, and they are already the enemy of freedom but they are "in charge". There is a fear that these forums would be shut down if we engage in "violent" speak (disregard the image of that Kathy whatsherbutt holding the severed Trump head in her hand with blood all over, about 4 years ago..). Personally, I feel these forums are a treasure trove of info for the anti's, and would be left open for that reason alone. Pretty sure section 230 only applies to the big tech billionaires.
Now, I wholeheatedly disagree with this censorship, but I don't own NWFA, so must play by their rules to be here and post. There are other forums out there that do not censor, but remember, you are definitely being watched.

 

[2Z4]

The irony in this is that a demonstration where an unarmed demonstrator was shot by law enforcement will be used as prima facie "evidence" for removal of the 2nd amendment.

I don't believe it alarmist to consider this is on the table. It didn't get done under Obama because he only had 2 years with all 3 branches, and he was lazy. A bunch of magazine bans got done though, state by state. Anyone who believes the Supreme Court will save the 2nd Amendment didn't watch what happened since November. They wouldn't even take an original jurisdiction case between states in a Constitutional dispute. They refused to docket electoral challenges alleging clear Article II violations. They were 5-4 on religious freedom. One vote away from state officials banning worship.

What you can do - check out your local _______ party and try to become a precinct committee person. Contribute to the NRA. Educate yourself on who you're voting for - local elections are "ground up" reform and are harder to rig. Stop reading the paper and watching TV, they are brainwashing you. Get off social media networks - same thing there and they harvest your data. Watch who you spend your money with, and what they do with it. Major corporations are leading the charge to overthrow the country - stop giving them your money. Write, call and email your state senator and state reps. Even if they're the party "opposite" you (but it's actually all one party) show your opinion in a respectful fashion.

The second amendment meant more to the early colonists than it does today. The colonists were on equal footing with professional armies by having the same arms. The advantages the British had were cannon, ships and professional soldiers. Most everything else was equal. The gap between citizens and the standing army began to appear in the late 1860s with the advent of the gatling-type gun, mines, armor-clad naval vessels, and observation balloons. The idea there would somehow be another "1776" due to AR-15s in the hands of civilians is fairly unrealistic given the military armament today. The gap is not even close. Banning personal ownership of firearms is more about preventing an individual citizen from resisting crime, corruption and thuggery - thereby controlling their behavior by making them rely on the state for protection. This ties in with "defund the police" - corrupt oligarchs still have their private security forces, and "might makes right."

Similar to banning small businesses, and making them reliant on "stimulus" checks to survive. Once government gets their hooks in, they can make you do what they want you do without much recourse for independent behavior.

 

[arakboss]

I agree that the tolerance for dissent will quickly evaporate. Demonization via agitprop will become widespread.

To your point about no more US resets: seems to me this depends on whether the radical elements will insist on going for broke with their socialist fantasies straight away, creating a step-too-far flashpoint. Discipline is not a strong suit with the current crop of pols. They want it all and they want it now!

Alternatively, they may be content to continue the slow boil of average Americans. My guess is the first 100 days will reveal their intentions.

The slow boil has already been happening for some time, I expect the heat will be turned up this go around. There is really no where to go even if you manage to jump out of the pot. We can hide in the little nooks and crannies where freedom may dissipate last but tyranny will find you eventually. The entire world is going in this direction.

Sorry if this sounds like the half glass empty version of current events but I am not feeling very many vibes of optimism at the moment.

 

[Member 5605]

Its a different world now. It would take a miracle to move most away from their comfort zone. All the things we've come to depend on are now controlled and regulated , we have become like tame mice in their hands. We know now our votes are meaningless and the nescessary solution is unthinkable to most people. The game is over but there's always a new game.

Yup.
And when one person starts to turn on the garden hose, the lazy will be quick to condemn them and say how radical they are. they'll condemn the very thing that's needed to secure their grandchildren's future because they are selfish.

 

[RedCardinalSeven]

That is the bigger picture.

To quote one of our countries forefathers, "... The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants ..."

For what it's worth, Thomas Jefferson, who penned the famous quote about watering "the tree of liberty ... from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants" was in his 30s during the Revolutionary War. When he ran for president his political enemies called him the "coward of Carter's Mountain" for his wartime conduct. I don't know if that was fair or not but he had, at best, an undistinguished military record.

When he wrote the "tree of liberty" line Jefferson was safe in Paris while across the Atlantic Americans were killing each other in what would come to be called Shay's Rebellion. In that conflict state militia crushed a tax and debt protest led by a Revolutionary War veteran named Daniel Shays with a rather more distinguished military record than Jefferson's that included actually engaging the enemy in battle. Shay served under Lafayette, who later presented him with an ornamental sword as "a mark of personal esteem". Shay sold the sword "in a moment of [financial] need".

 

[HaveGun]

Are you going to sit idle while our children grow up in a world without the freedoms and rights we had?

My children voted for Biden. It's like getting kicked in the balls while stabbed in the back.

 

[jayR]

For those who haven't read through this, you may want to now.
https://metallicman.com/laoban4site/what-the-progressive-liberals-have-in-store-for-conservatives/

 

[EHJ]

"Nobody gonna take our guns - it's all lazy talk." - C A L I F O R N I A

"They can't do that - it's expressly forbidden by 2A!" - C A L I F O R N I A

"Obama was in office and nothing happened!" - C A L I F O R N I A

"No way they can ban online ammo and stuff!" - C A L I F O R N I A

Everything folks are arguing Gov. would never do - has already been done. The point is moot.


A man and a woman were sitting in a bar having drinks. It was a pleasant evening and both were enjoying each others company.
The man then remarked, "you're so beautiful... Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?" The woman blushed and gushed... "Oh, you. So silly - of course I would." The night carried on and at the end of the evening the man asked, "Would you sleep with me for 50 bucks?"
The woman, enraged - then quipped, "What do you think I am?"

To which the man replied, "We've already established what you are - we are now merely dickering."

 

[HighlandLofts]

They will go after thr guns full bore.

 

[BBQ Guy]

"Nobody gonna take our guns - it's all lazy talk." - C A L I F O R N I A

"They can't do that - it's expressly forbidden by 2A!" - C A L I F O R N I A

"Obama was in office and nothing happened!" - C A L I F O R N I A

"No way they can ban online ammo and stuff!" - C A L I F O R N I A

Everything folks are arguing Gov. would never do - has already been done. The point is moot.


A man and a woman were sitting in a bar having drinks. It was a pleasant evening and both were enjoying each others company.
The man then remarked, "you're so beautiful... Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?" The woman blushed and gushed... "Oh, you. So silly - of course I would." The night carried on and at the end of the evening the man asked, "Would you sleep with me for 50 bucks?"
The woman, enraged - then quipped, "What do you think I am?"

To which the man replied, "We've already established what you are - we are now merely dickering."

That is the crux of all of this.
Folks in the 2A community give up bits and pieces because it is just one little thing here, another little thing there, etc etc ad nauseum.


Just look at the fear that is instilled in our speech in public places in regards to firearms, ownership, and anything 2A.
The mantra is "Dont speak your mind in the open, somebody might use that, somebody might be watching, etc etc, ad nauseum".
The 1st amendment has been all but killed in the 2A community because of fear of some looming boogeyman.

We are always asked to give up something in an effort to make the greater good safer.
Why is that we are always asked to compromise?
When is it our turn to be given the compromise of our demands?

 

[Aero Denezol]

The Federal Gov't has their hands full for the time being.

Right now I am more concerned about Oregon moving against the 2A. Tina Kotek is trying to conflate Mike Nearman "letting people in" to the Oregon Capitol with the "coup" on Washington.

The implications of the word "coup" are obvious.. A rogue military group. Armed.

...FWIW I also got an email from Jeff Merkley suggesting that a "privileged and powerful elite" and "pools of corporate and 'dark' money" were behind this "coup" attempt.

He did not offer any proof of who these "privileged and powerful elite" were. If they recovered any battle plans from the Capitol they have yet to make them public.

 

[BBQ Guy]

The Federal Gov't has their hands full for the time being.

Right now I am more concerned about Oregon moving against the 2A. Tina Kotek is trying to conflate Mike Nearman "letting people in" to the Oregon Capitol with the "coup" on Washington.

The implications of the word "coup" are obvious.. A rogue military group. Armed.

...FWIW I also got an email from Jeff Merkley suggesting that a "privileged and powerful elite" and "pools of corporate and 'dark' money" were behind this "coup" attempt.

He did not offer any proof of who these "privileged and powerful elite" were.

I have heard Kotex whining on the news and trying to make an issue where none exists.
As to Merkley he wont out his buddies, he is planting the seeds of leftist propaganda for someone else to sow in the media. The guy is a complete dirtbag only being outdone by Der Fuhrer Brown in Salem.

The real coup started 4.5 years ago when a trump presidency materialized into a real threat.
Before he was even elected the decision to impeach him had been made and was talked about in the media. The only thing the leftist/commies/socialists needed to do was fire up the propaganda machine and scrutinize everything he did.
The whole country has been played.

What is amazing to me is that the uprising at the capitol building did not turn into an all out war. Which IMO, is the worst thing for this country, but might actually be what is needed to set things right according to what the forefathers intended for the United States of America.

 

[jdub75]

I hardly think the forefathers would want a war over one political candidate losing a democratically held election. If you take some time to read up & understand our forefathers, they had IMMENSLEY differing views on many topics when forming our nation and crafting the constitution.
Rhetoric may feel cathartic for a moment, but civil discourse is how adults and democracies solve differences. To think that America is at the point of war with itself over Trump losing an election (that he even said was rigged prior to the election), you've been successfully gaslighted. One party has had the control over all government for several years, and had all opportunity to vet any issues with our electoral system. Hell, many GOP led states put the rules in place surrounding the 2020 election.
I'm all for holding fraudulent voters accountable. But to make a claim that tens, hundreds of thousands of votes are illegitimate is a claim of massive significance, which requires massive, indisputable proof. To date, none has been presented. We've been presented 'feelings, and beliefs' of fraud. Well, this aint 3rd grade.

 

[Flopsweat]

The irony in this is that a demonstration where an unarmed demonstrator was shot by law enforcement will be used as prima facie "evidence" for removal of the 2nd amendment.

This is how they do it every single time. Phony outrage and a proposed fix that doesn't apply to what really happened nor what they tell you happened. It's not about logic. Logic is a weak political tool. The real power is in emotion: usually self-righteousness, fear and hate. I'm sure that's been so since before politics existed.

 

[made in china]

"They" have a conundrum.....
Will they go all-out and do too big of a grab?
After seeing what happened in DC, they would be fools to grab too much. The slow erosion of rights is the more stable way to do it, the way they should keep doing it to attain their objectives.
But, they may head into 2021 drunk on their own rhetoric and really make a mistake.

 

[cookie]

My children voted for Biden. It's like getting kicked in the balls while stabbed in the back.

Educated in a government school?

 

[SUPER X]

The entire country is in trouble

The whole country will look like SKID ROW or be ghetto housing projects

 

[HaveGun]

Educated in a government school?

Nope. Both in private Christian schools for most of their education, then one in a charter school and the other in a tiny farming town school. Both good kids out of high school. Then they got corrupted by social media and leftist media.

 

[Aero Denezol]

Nope. Both in private Christian schools for most of their education, then one in a charter school and the other in a tiny farming town school. Both good kids out of high school. Then they got corrupted by social media and leftist media.

Same here with our two girls.

The left controls the institutions of culture in this country (media & entertainment). Their message is well-crafted and consistent. The last thing kids want to do is alienate their peer groups. It's easier to turn your back on Mom and Dad.

 

[Member 5605]

Burying, hiding, losing in a boating accident is a cowards way out.

Cowards way out I say.

Change my mind.