Other State Federal appeals court upholds Illinois gun ban, finds no 2nd Amendment protection for assault weapons

[The Heretic]

Federal appeals court upholds Illinois gun ban, finds no 2nd Amendment protection for assault weapons

The court found that Illinois’ controversial gun law survived the first part of a two-step test laid out in a crucial June 2022 ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court.

chicago.suntimes.com

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[CamoDeafie]

Federal appeals court upholds Illinois gun ban, finds no 2nd Amendment protection for assault weapons

The court found that Illinois’ controversial gun law survived the first part of a two-step test laid out in a crucial June 2022 ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court.

chicago.suntimes.com

Its.. Chicago. The same place which saw Prohibition era gun control laws (NFA). The same place that occupies the top 20 most dangerous cities in the US for gun crimes/gang violence, if not top 5-top 10.

The Federal Judge is blatantly ignoring Heller and Macdonald (sp?); as well as doing mental gymnastics around Bruen

 

[American123]

Black robed lawyers are just lawyers with black robes… shocking.

Constitution begs to differ, and the founding fathers put certain things in there with the intention of them being used if necessary.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Black robed lawyers are just lawyers with black robes… shocking.

Constitution begs to differ, and the founding fathers put certain things in there with the intention of them being used if necessary.

Indeed. Once again what it looks like.. that a great many people including lawyers in black robes and lawyers in "elected" positions really do think the 2A reads this way

"A Well-Regulated (by laws) Militia (military), being necessary for the security of a Free State (the Governmenting bodies and agents), the right of the People (the Government officials and agents) to keep and bear Arms(only arms used by the Government, not the citizens) shall not be infringed (unless it violates Geneva/Hague conventions and then even then, we ain't signatories to them )

 

[American123]

Indeed. Once again what it looks like.. that a great many people including lawyers in black robes and lawyers in "elected" positions really do think the 2A reads this way

"A Well-Regulated (by laws) Militia (military), being necessary for the security of a Free State (the Governmenting bodies and agents), the right of the People (the Government officials and agents) to keep and bear Arms(only arms used by the Government, not the citizens) shall not be infringed (unless it violates Geneva/Hague conventions and then even then, we ain't signatories to them )

It's projection. They want it to read that way so they try to craft policy to make it so. The "elite" fear the common person being able to easily snuff out their life or resist any potential government action that would result in such an effort.

It's almost quite comical. "If the government wants to take your guns it is because they want to so something that they know you'd be willing yo shoot them over."

 

[CamoDeafie]

It's projection. They want it to read that way so they try to craft policy to make it so. The "elite" fear the common person being able to easily snuff out their life or resist any potential government action that would result in such an effort.

It's almost quite comical. "If the government wants to take your guns it is because they want to so something that they know you'd be willing yo shoot them over."

It's just another thing in a very long string of authoritarian/totalitarianism governments trying to consolidate their political power and control the masses, going all the way back to the Stone Age.

 

[Yarome]

That has to be one of the most idiotic rulings I've read. I wouldn't even know where to begin, but right off the top.... the analogies don't even hold up since regulated permission slips are not equal to a "ban". And... they already have a regulated "permission slip" in place when it comes to the 2A... comparing apples to apples... it's called a BGC.

The ruling goes even further downhill from there.

What should scare us all are judges that are so blatantly ignorant of the law in one respect makes it likely their ignorance is not limited to just that one issue. Likely... a general ignorance of law encompassing a wide array of legal issues set before them.

 

[User 1234]

We knew that this would happen. Overall it is good because it will increase the chance that Roberts votes pro-2A to assert the authority of the Supreme Court. He may add language to the eventual USSC ruling directly instructing future judges which firearms and other weapons must be considered "arms" within the meaning of the Second Amendment.

 

[CamoDeafie]

We knew that this would happen. Overall it is good because it will increase the chance that Roberts votes pro-2A to assert the authority of the Supreme Court. He may add language to the eventual USSC ruling directly instructing future judges which firearms and other weapons must be considered "arms" within the meaning of the Second Amendment.

"Arms" was already defined in the 1770s Samuel Johnson's dictionary

"Arms. n.s. without the singular number. [arma, Lat.]

1. Weapons of offence, or armour of defence.
"Those arms which Mars before
Had giv'n the vanquish'd, now the victor bore."
Pope.

2. A state of hostility.
"Sir Edward Courtney, and the haughty prelate,
With many more confed'rates, are in arms."
Shakespeare.

3. War in general.
"Arms and the man I sing.
Dryden.
Him Paris follow'd to the dire alarms,
Both breathing slaughter, both resolv'd in arms."
Pope.

4. Action; the act of taking arms.
"Up rose the victor angels, and to arms
The matin trumpet sung.
Milton.
And seas and rocks and skies rebound,
To arms, to arms, to arms."
Pope.

5. The ensigns armorial of a family."

Emphasis and punctuation added to clarify.
Source https://johnsonsdictionaryonline.com/views/search.php?term=arms

Edit. There is nothing in the 2nd Amendment itself that says government may restrict arms or restrict the citizens from acquiring arms (there's that pesky line.. "shall not be infringed".


Speaking of "infringe".

To INFRI'NGE. v.a.

[infringo, Latin.]


1. To violate; to break laws or contracts.
"Those many had not dar'd to do that evil,
If the first man that did th' edict infringe,
Had answer'd for his deed."
Shakesp. Meas. for Meas.
"Having infring'd the law, I wave my right
As king, and thus submit myself to fight."
Waller.


2. To destroy; to hinder.

"Homilies, being plain and popular instructions, do not infringe the efficacy, although but read."
Hooker.
" Bright as the deathless gods and happy, she
From all that may infringe delight is free."
Waller.

Bold and punctuation added
From https://johnsonsdictionaryonline.com/views/search.php?term=infringe

 

[User 1234]

Yeah, the dictionary and common sense are well and good, but half the judges post-Bruen have just ignored them. What would be helpful is if Roberts and the majority expressly ruled that firearms cannot be interpreted as outside the 2A even if they are semi-automatic or have detachable magazines and modern ergonomic features.

 

[Diamondback]

Yeah, the dictionary and common sense are well and good, but half the judges post-Bruen have just ignored them. What would be helpful is if Roberts and the majority expressly ruled that firearms cannot be interpreted as outside the 2A even if they are semi-automatic or have detachable magazines and modern ergonomic features.

The question is how do we make Roberts hate the Lower Courts dropping trou and azzblasting nasty brown spackle all over his Court's collective face more than he hates us "icky Deplorable gunhumpers."

 

[CamoDeafie]

The question is how do we make Roberts hate the Lower Courts dropping trou and azzblasting nasty brown spackle all over his Court's collective face more than he hates us "icky Deplorable gunhumpers."

So... his joining with the 5 other Conservative Justices in Bruen was a fluke, after all?

 

[Diamondback]

So... his joining with the 5 other Conservative Justices in Bruen was a fluke, after all?

I wouldn't trust him any farther than I could throw him--his Bruen join was probably a response to the lower courts using Heller I/II/III and MacDonald for toilet paper.

 

[nwslopoke]

Judges, like chefs or politicians are not ruling for the people. They perform for their peers. Look what I can do.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Federal appeals court upholds Illinois gun ban, finds no 2nd Amendment protection for assault weapons

The court found that Illinois’ controversial gun law survived the first part of a two-step test laid out in a crucial June 2022 ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court.

chicago.suntimes.com

That's that prick easterbrook. He apparently thinks he is smarter than the Supreme Court and is rabidly anti-gun. Scotus has shut him down several times before according to mark smith. Coney-Bryant acted on the emergency stay fro
The pro gun side which caused easyerbrook's court to stop delaying. So this one is definitely on scotus's radar.

I'm more curious about the cargill case. That will rein on ATF's power BIG TIME if it goes against atf. Kind of surprised scotus will hear the case but cargill said they had some nuggets on there that would get scotus's attention. There is a good interview of cargill on mark
Smiths YouTube page.

 

[The Heretic]

 

[RobMa]

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[The Heretic]

Illinois assault weapons ban faces new challenge

The law prohibits the possession, manufacture or sale of semiautomatic rifles and high-capacity magazines.

www.newsweek.com

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Illinois assault weapons ban faces new challenge

The law prohibits the possession, manufacture or sale of semiautomatic rifles and high-capacity magazines.

www.newsweek.com

If this is the same law that easterbrook recently upheld, he's gonna get his a ss reamed by scotus. They have already overturned him so many times and easterbrook acts to them like he is superior which they hate I'm sure. All this info is from past mark smith videos. If anyone is interested, you can find the videos by searching four boxes diner channel for "Illinois" probably. Easterbrook is a real dick.

 

[The Heretic]

If this is the same law that easterbrook recently upheld, he's gonna get his a ss reamed by scotus. They have already overturned him so many times and easterbrook acts to them like he is superior which they hate I'm sure. All this info is from past mark smith videos. If anyone is interested, you can find the videos by searching four boxes diner channel for "Illinois" probably. Easterbrook is a real dick.

It appears so: https://abc7chicago.com/illinois-gu...s-ban-supreme-court-federal-appeals/14009561/