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Here is an example....LiveLeak.com - The Police Have No Authority Unless A Crime Has Been Committed
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I guess from seeing the officers standing over the table for quiet some time, then after another officer shows up the one citizens seem to be getting an ear full as the other citizen with the camera tells the guy his food is ready.
Ever do a ride-along with cops? Yes, they do usually ask for ID when talking to folks. Doesn't mean they suspect anything, it is so they can document their contact (many reasons for that). Asking for ID does NOT "prove" they have an issue with OC. None of the cops I know (and there are many) have an issue with OC because they are 2A supporters. Gee, there could even be cops on this board because they love guns.
BtW there are ample examples of videos in which people decline to show their IDs to officers and by watching the video we can Assume that the officers didnt like it. Yes, I do not think I have ever heard the officer say, "I do not like that you decline to give me your ID."
Like I said, we simply don't know what was said by the cops. This video does not show anything but cops doing what the taxpayers expect of them, which is investigating a complaint. If the cops acted inappropriately I would be with you in criticizing them. The fact is, they did nothing wrong. Leaning in to speak with "Richie" is a way of talking to him without making a spectacle of the situation. Asking him to step off to the side is, again, a way of keeping things low-key. Sorry, there was no "jack-booted-thuggery".
You do a lot of assuming. I agree, there are plenty of videos showing cops doing bad things. I would hardly lump "offended cops" in with bad cops. If you want to make an issue of cops abusing some authority, this video won't help your case. Sorry.
I can agree with you but, at the same time if the guy did nothing wrong and he declines talking to them is he in the wrong? Are the cops in the wrong for not leaving this guy alone then?
I beg to differ. It indeed does. If you Just Me, are somewhere minding your business and the cops come up to you are ask for your ID is it legal for you to decline to give it to them? Not being rude, but why bother you if you have done nothing illegal? If you chose not to comply should the cops then start to bug you and disrupt your peace?
Actually I would have given them my ID. If they started being rude then I would probably stop cooperating. Might be time to lawyer up.
Ever do a ride-along with cops? Yes, they do usually ask for ID when talking to folks. Doesn't mean they suspect anything, it is so they can document their contact (many reasons for that). Asking for ID does NOT "prove" they have an issue with OC. None of the cops I know (and there are many) have an issue with OC because they are 2A supporters. Gee, there could even be cops on this board because they love guns.
Cops ask to see your ID, don't you show em. He/she talks to you for 5 minutes and leaves because you have done nothing wrong.
Cop asks to see your ID, you decline. You spend the next 5 minutes attempting to "educate" the officer on how you have the right to not show your ID, the officer gets frustrated, you don't care, and youtube gets a new video about "infringement".
Every cop I know (and that's a lot as I work very closely with law enforcement) just want to know whats not their business. Yes, if you're carrying a gun (as this thread is about), then you should be doing everything in your power to avoid ANY face time with a 'overbearing' LEO.
I just go into a crowded theater and scream "no fire!" for kicks. Perfectly legal. joke
So explain my particular situation than...
I was stopped while walking from class to class. Officer asked to see my ID. He informed me that I matched the description of someone they were looking for. One look at my ID and he said have a good day.
Now, if I had declined to show my ID because I had done nothing wrong I can guarantee you that my conversation with that officer would have been much longer, involved probably a few more officers, and would have ended with a headache.
So please, tell me how not showing a LEO my ID would have made that situation better...
Perhaps true. Perhaps true also would be some sort of clustergum cascading of unforseen events. fun timesYou would do no more or less harm than a sign stating 'no guns'.