10,000 rounds of ammo?

[Flopsweat]

BTW, did Bruen address magazines at all? I thought that was a case which overturned New York State's licensing requirement for carrying a firearm outside one's private residence. What part of that case addressed magazines?

More importantly, Bruen established a methodology for testing the validity of a gun law. Here's a direct quote from the decision:

"When the Second Amendment's plain text covers an individual's conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct. The government must then justify its regulation by demonstrating that it is consistent with the Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation."

The only argument now is how far we go back. Hopefully well before WWI.

 

[CamoDeafie]

The only argument now is how far we go back. Hopefully well before WWI.

Pretty sure SCOTUS clarified and said 1791 at the latest. Specifically "Founding era"

 

[Flopsweat]

Pretty sure SCOTUS clarified and said 1791 at the latest. Specifically "Founding era"

Outstanding. Of course, we'll still see plenty of leftist judges misapply or ignore the ruling, but eventually appeals should straighten out many of them.

 

[Croat]

Pretty sure SCOTUS clarified and said 1791 at the latest. Specifically "Founding era"

Not sure how much that founding era basis would help the ammo quantity question. Back then people were making their own ammo and quantities were probably much smaller than the average gun owner has today, but who knows? It's not as if anyone did a survey back then, so we'd all be guessing. Hopefully the make-up of SCOTUS won't be changing anytime soon in odd event this issue comes before them.

 

[Flopsweat]

Not sure how much that founding era basis would help the ammo quantity question. Back then people were making their own ammo and quantities were probably much smaller than the average gun owner has today, but who knows? It's not as if anyone did a survey back then, so we'd all be guessing. Hopefully the make-up of SCOTUS won't be changing anytime soon in odd event this issue comes before them.

It seems to me that if there were no laws limiting quantity, the answer is pretty clear.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Outstanding. Of course, we'll still see plenty of leftist judges misapply or ignore the ruling, but eventually appeals should straighten out many of them.

It's because of that 1791 cutoff and the potential later cutoff of 1868 (14th Amendment date); that a lot of Statist/Institutionalist pundits were freaking out and claiming that Fed Judges would need to have expert historians to help decide things, never mind that Judges/Justices themselves are supposed to be historians in regards to using prior case law and knowing what the laws were in their districts going all the way back

 

[Croat]

It seems to me that if there were no laws limiting quantity, the answer is pretty clear.

Not sure about that. Even the current SCOTUS would not take the stance that laws cannot change over time, or that regulations cannot be imposed today simply because they were not imposed 232 years ago. Many more questions than answers it seems.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Not sure about that. Even the current SCOTUS would not take the stance that laws cannot change over time, or that regulations cannot be imposed today simply because they were not imposed 232 years ago. Many more questions than answers it seems.

At least two of the Justices would (Alito and Thomas). Gorsuch, maybe. Kavanaugh and Barrett, possible swing votes along with Roberts who is confirmed an institutionslist, along with Sotomayor,Kagan and Jackson.

 

[Croat]

Maybe we're looking at this the wrong way. Maybe this isn't really a gun/ammunition issue, maybe it is a commerce issue. Is there any law today that places a cap on the number of items we can buy? Off hand I can't think of any. There can be sliding cost scales based on quantity, so for example you may pay a higher per-gallon rate if you use 10,000 gallons of water compared to the lower rate for using 5,000 gallons of water, but even for something like water or electricity I'm not aware of a cap on how much you can use (if you can afford it).

 

[Certaindeaf]

How else am I going to blast a condor out of the sky? Those things are way up there.




Lulz

 

[CamoDeafie]

Maybe we're looking at this the wrong way. Maybe this isn't really a gun/ammunition issue, maybe it is a commerce issue. Is there any law today that places a cap on the number of items we can buy? Off hand I can't think of any. There can be sliding cost scales based on quantity, so for example you may pay a higher per-gallon rate if you use 10,000 gallons of water compared to the lower rate for using 5,000 gallons of water, but even for something like water or electricity I'm not aware of a cap on how much you can use (if you can afford it).

No, and ammunition manufacturers would like it if Americans can keep buying ammo as much as they did during the panic buys and not deal with the slumps where everyone's satisfied with how much ammo they have.

 

[Camelfilter]

Not sure how much that founding era basis would help the ammo quantity question. Back then people were making their own ammo and quantities were probably much smaller than the average gun owner has today, but who knows? It's not as if anyone did a survey back then, so we'd all be guessing. Hopefully the make-up of SCOTUS won't be changing anytime soon in odd event this issue comes before them.

There was that Lexington & Concord thing where the British wanted to confiscate the colonists weapons AND ammunition (powder) stores…

 

[GOG]

This...

 

[Longwalkhome]

When you call them "goons" are we talking about the Cops who show up to raid dope dealers, dealers of guns to drug dealers? So they are "goons" now? You would rather the law just turn a blind eye to this crime? Would that really lead to happy campers all around? Several places tried this with de-fund the Police. They are getting just the result they asked for and are now screaming because they got what they asked for.

My best explanation of what the goon squad is can be seen on Netflix in a film called Ordinary Men. A study more or less as to how ordinary men become willing to do evil things under the rule of laws.

We have our profile and there is a profile among law enforcement too, some good and some bad.

As far as not having enough cops it's Alenski in action.

1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people
2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
I

 

[Xmark1]

If you follow Sen Rand Paul and his senate hearing on AI then you get a pretty good idea how far the Patriot act has gone. They were discussing how the government has spied on us and used the net to manipulate us.

Easy to see how a few bots in the right places can start an ammo panic.

Plus they gather data on those manipulated , how better to see who has guns than to track who is buying ammo?

People have no idea how much the net owns them.

As far back as 30 years ago, banking computers could profile you with about 95% accuracy in that they could predict you would be getting a divorce soon, biased solely on your credit card spending habits.

 

[Xmark1]

Never heard of a quantity limit on ammunition. HOWEVER...
Our gun rights are protected by the 2nd Amendment, not "ammunition rights." IF a state wanted to place a quantity limit on ammunition that very well may be legal, or at least lead to a court case with an unknown outcome. Seemingly you can't have a gun without ammunition, but that is not a clear legal connection at this time (at least that I'm aware of). Even if a state didn't outright ban ammunition it may achieve the same effective outcome by taxing the hell out of it. Either way, we need to keep our guard up.

Just like Ca.

 

[Xmark1]

My best explanation of what the goon squad is can be seen on Netflix in a film called Ordinary Men. A study more or less as to how ordinary men become willing to do evil things under the rule of laws.

We have our profile and there is a profile among law enforcement too, some good and some bad.

As far as not having enough cops it's Alenski in action.

1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people
2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
I

 

[Certaindeaf]

As far back as 30 years ago, banking computers could profile you with about 95% accuracy in that they could predict you would be getting a divorce soon, biased solely on your credit card spending habits.

A turnip would be able to easily divine that by seeing "marriage counseling" on the bill.

 

[Xmark1]

No, and ammunition manufacturers would like it if Americans can keep buying ammo as much as they did during the panic buys and not deal with the slumps where everyone's satisfied with how much ammo they have.

I am grateful for the panic buying of covid. Vendors placed orders to fill empty shelves. Now the supply has surpassed demand (temporarily) it's time to stock up. This buying opportunity will not last long.

 

[Longwalkhome]

As far back as 30 years ago, banking computers could profile you with about 95% accuracy in that they could predict you would be getting a divorce soon, biased solely on your credit card spending habits.

now they just listen on your phone and see how you get along with the spouse.

No really 10,000 rounds if you are a member of a gun club is seen different than if you are a member of antifa.

When they start making up rules like this it takes proof you have the 10k because you may have gone in with friends to buy. Then who is going to come to your door to count your ammo?]

Most of the laws are after they caught you for something else laws to add on penalties.

Used to call it "throwing the book" at you.