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[Gunner3456]

I've thought a lot more about this than a faithful Christian should perhaps, that in itself is more frightening to me than the scenarios we all invent in our minds, My wife and I have been faithful givers to God's work for many many years, you cannot do that without believing that God has a plan and that he loves us.

The problem is in determining whether our planning is just "of the flesh" or whether we do indeed have evidence that our nation is headed towards disaster, and that we should be preparing for surviving it.

It is very hard for me to believe that we will escape a national economic collapse. So, am I preparing because God wants me to or because I don't trust him? Any of you who understand what I'm saying probably are having such thoughts yourselves.

So, I asked my pastor whether or not our church has a plan to deal with a collapse, and he threw it back into my lap, "Are you going to be a Joseph or an Elijah?"(Gen 41 and following, and 1rst Kings 17)
He told me that he doesn't see it as being clear cut that a total collapse will happen, instead we may be headed for European socialism, restricted freedoms etc. I don't understand what he sees that I don't, because to me even if someone came into the presidency and installed limited taxes and a government support of free market capitalism that allowed a flourishing economy to be unleashed there is still the problem of the little ones not being taught how marketplaces work and have worked for thousands of years, and without schooling in these things the implementation of an attempt to achieve the fantasy of socialism is always just around the corner.
Democracy only works when the voters have understanding, and very few Americans under 50 have understanding because it hasn't been taught in our schools (And that is by design, it's part of the subversion plan the KGB came up with in the 50's). So, it is not going to turn around, it cannot. The deception from the left is deliberate, Obama knows that if he were able to steal all the money that the top 50% owns it would not turn our economy around, the debt is far too large to pay down.

I'm committed to living by faith, and have been for many years. Does that faith compel me to store for the future or to simply depend on my great Provider when the time comes, for me that is the delimma.

First, European socialism is about to collapse, probably sooner that we do, but when they do they will take our economy down with them. Their debts have led to attempted austerity measures followed by riots. Italy is on the verge of economic collapse so what happened this week? Protests demanding...

Second, as a Christian, be aware that in the past 2,000 years there have been many SHTF events where Christians believed that "this is it." They were wrong, but the SHTF was there nonetheless. There are widespread SHTF events all over the world right now, and every year 6 million people starve to death in this world.

 

[Just Jim]

First, European socialism is about to collapse, probably sooner that we do, but when they do they will take our economy down with them. Their debts have led to attempted austerity measures followed by riots. Italy is on the verge of economic collapse so what happened this week? Protests demanding...

Second, as a Christian, be aware that in the past 2,000 years there have been many SHTF events where Christians believed that "this is it." They were wrong, but the SHTF was there nonetheless. There are widespread SHTF events all over the world right now, and every year 6 million people starve to death in this world.

When socialism fails it turns to comunism. Follow the tracks of history.

jj

 

[Just Jim]

#OccupyWallStreet and the stealth push for global communist revolution

So how do you prep for revolution??

 

[Gunner3456]

It is related by letting people know what they should prepare for. Some are looking at the Wiemar Repubic as to what is comming when they should be looking at the Soviet Commie revolution...

Maybe they should rather be looking at the collapse of the USSR more recently. When Russia could no longer feed all of its satellite states via communism, it cut them loose. Then there was SHTF in those states. Many have not recovered, or if they have it's only to a state where everyone is still in survival mode and very poor.

Has everyone read Selco's account of the collapse of Bosnia about ten years ago? This doesn't tell the similar story of Venezuela, but it's a heck of a read.

SHTF School - Just another WordPress site

 

[Gunner3456]

#OccupyWallStreet and the stealth push for global communist revolution

So how do you prep for revolution??

IMHO no different. If you're prepared for SHTF, you're as prepared as you can get. Bring it on, you bastards. I never planned on living forever, but I'll get a bunch of you on my way out.

 

[Partsproduction]

I wasn't giving verses to prove any point, but by way of explanation of what my pastor told me.

Who gave you the insite?

What "insite" are you talking about? I never mentioned any insight beyond that clear one "Whatever is not of faith is sin".
Sorry if I offended you, it was unintentional.

You asked a question and I didn't know you were excluding Christian responses. Unbelievers will do whatever they will do and I can't change that.

 

[Just Jim]

I wasn't giving verses to prove any point, but by way of explanation of what my pastor told me. What "insite" are you talking about? I never mentioned any insight beyond that clear one "Whatever is not of faith is sin".
Sorry if I offended you, it was unintentional.

You asked a question and I didn't know you were excluding Christian responses. Unbelievers will do whatever they will do and I can't change that.

"It is very hard for me to believe that we will escape a national economic collapse. So, am I preparing because God wants me to or because I don't trust him? Any of you who understand what I'm saying probably are having such thoughts yourselves."

Insite.

Some of you guys read things into replys that just are not there. Like the man said, what ever path you choose it all ends the same with you and I being dead to this world. What I believe is between me and God, nobody else walks the path of life for me.

 

[Gunner3456]

I never mentioned any insight beyond that clear one "Whatever is not of faith is sin".

You are taking that out of context. The early Roman Christians had faith, but they were still massacred, many in the Coliseum for the entertainment of the rulers and citizens. Lions, warriors with chariots - they still died and you can still get a tour to take you through the catacombs to see their skeletons.

Joseph didn't sin when he put up lots of food in storehouses. The Christians in Egypt who were massacred this month had faith but it didn't save their lives.

Now, if your belief is that you shouldn't prep because you should have faith, and if that results in your and your family's death, then that's your choice.

 

[Jamie6.5]

The frog swam across the pan yesterday and asked me if the air was getting hotter too.

I said "actually, with fall setting in, it's cooling off a bit."
He said he wishes the water would cool a little.

I guess we'll see.
And NO, you can't have my talking frog!!

 

[Just Jim]

The frog swam across the pan yesterday and asked me if the air was getting hotter too.

I said "actually, with fall setting in, it's cooling off a bit."
He said he wishes the water would cool a little.

I guess we'll see.
And NO, you can't have my talking frog!!

So maybe science can help you figure it all out...uuuhhh

Plants absorb carbon dioxide 25 percent faster than previously thought, say scientists


So did your frog tell you how to prepare for the revolution? Global warming hoax was part of the plan.

 

[Partsproduction]

You asked "The question is, "what has to happen first before it all falls apart?", and I answered you a few posts back. I expect that major credit organizations will downgrade our credit rating further.

My later post was an analysis of my personal angst over "Preparation", and it seems to have offended you. Sorry. To look for events that trigger widespread famine implies to me that one should be prepared to respond to those triggers, I didn't know my musing would offend anyone.

Some of you guys read things into replys that just are not there.

Ok, so what has

What I believe is between me and God, nobody else walks the path of life for me.

to do with anything I said? I was writing about my own preparations.

No one tried walk any path for you, certainly not me, so reading things into "replys" must be something else.

 

[Partsproduction]

Second, as a Christian, be aware that in the past 2,000 years there have been many SHTF events where Christians believed that "this is it." They were wrong, but the SHTF was there nonetheless. There are widespread SHTF events all over the world right now, and every year 6 million people starve to death in this world.

To me personally if this is just another economic bump in the road it doesn't cause me that much concern, you may disagree with me but I'm thinking it's much more, but yes, I could be wrong.
If it is more then there are other considerations outside the apparent scope of this forum, but which nonetheless cause me true concern about things I'm determined to avoid.

 

[Jamie6.5]

No Jim, I had to tell the frog about the revolution, and also warned him about the water temp. "Just because it warms up slowly," I said, "doesn't mean it won't burn you eventually."

He knows all about the AGW hoax, as we discussed that ages ago. I told him way back then, that all we needed for more carbon sequestration was for every company with a large "carbon footprint" to plant a few trees on their corporate grounds.
He liked that, as it would make more habitat for his cousin(s) the tree frogs.

The alarmist, hand wringing greenies just like to complicate things, because their political leaders (that they have religious-like faith in) refuse to tell them that the actual plan is to make gazillion$ of dollar$ trading carbon credit$.

 

[Partsproduction]

if your belief is that you shouldn't prep because you should have faith, and if that results in your and your family's death, then that's your choice.

Agreed, but then that's not part of my vision. I am not like people who don't take their children to Dr's because they are expecting a miracle, we do have responsibilities.

 

[Just Jim]

You asked "The question is, "what has to happen first before it all falls apart?", and I answered you a few posts back. I expect that major credit organizations will downgrade our credit rating further.

My later post was an analysis of my personal angst over "Preparation", and it seems to have offended you. Sorry. To look for events that trigger widespread famine implies to me that one should be prepared to respond to those triggers, I didn't know my musing would offend anyone.



Ok, so what has to do with anything I said? I was writing about my own preparations.

No one tried walk any path for you, certainly not me, so reading things into "replys" must be something else.

Geez, if I were offended I would let you know LOL However your comparison between believers and non believers opened the door for my statement.

So the news you are thinking about comes, what happens then?

 

[Just Jim]

No Jim, I had to tell the frog about the revolution, and also warned him about the water temp. "Just because it warms up slowly," I said, "doesn't mean it won't burn you eventually."

He knows all about the AGW hoax, as we discussed that ages ago. I told him way back then, that all we needed for more carbon sequestration was for every company with a large "carbon footprint" to plant a few trees on their corporate grounds.
He liked that, as it would make more habitat for his cousin(s) the tree frogs.

The alarmist, hand wringing greenies just like to complicate things, because their political leaders (that they have religious-like faith in) refuse to tell them that the actual plan is to make gazillion$ of dollar$ trading carbon credit$.

So, is there a red flag of warning that will start the ball rolling for you?

jj

 

[Jamie6.5]

I don't believe there is going to be an "event." I believe that is where/how most will find out they are behind the curve.
For most people, I think it will happen sooo sloooowly that most people will just roll over and do as the dotgov asks/tells them.
They will fall in line, "for the greater good."
Oh they'll grumble and b*tch about it, but they'll do it.
Besides, if there is an "event," the press isn't going to tell anyone about it. We are all on our own in that regard.

As for a natural disaster being the precipitator, I've lived through too many of those already to be hornswaggled into panicking over one.
I guess the one thing I am watching for is the loss of the dollar's position as the world's preferred currency. The rumblings have started, but the day that it happens is the day the mega-inflation will start.
Personally, I can't afford $10.00/gal gas.

Can you?

 

[Just Jim]

I don't believe there is going to be an "event." I believe that is where/how most will find out they are behind the curve.
For most people, I think it will happen sooo sloooowly that most people will just roll over and do as the dotgov asks/tells them.
They will fall in line, "for the greater good."
Oh they'll grumble and b*tch about it, but they'll do it.
Besides, if there is an "event," the press isn't going to tell anyone about it. We are all on our own in that regard.

As for a natural disaster being the precipitator, I've lived through too many of those already to be hornswaggled into panicking over one.
I guess the one thing I am watching for is the loss of the dollar's position as the world's preferred currency. The rumblings have started, but the day that it happens is the day the mega-inflation will start.
Personally, I can't afford $10.00/gal gas.

Can you?

Another track that proves this is all man made and for a reason, oil prices. There will be no jobs till cheaper energy is available and the smart guys won't let us drill. Yet they let other countries come in and drill in the gulf. The signs are clear from schools on up the chain that we have been set up for a revolution. Still how will this change your preps and plans?

jj

 

[Just Jim]

Protesters demonstrate against Mars Hill Church in Southeast Portland

More tracks.

 

[Just Jim]

Well you guys will either figure it out or die trying. In any event I am not going to contribute to the preperations side of this site anymore (hold the applause please LOL) I am moveing on to other things that require my attention. Yall have fun now, I will read the replys but won't post anymore.

Later guys

jj