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[Gunner3456]

JJ, as Selco said, right when "they" are telling you everything is going to be OK but you sense something is wrong, then you just have to know for yourself.

If there is a war in the ME which causes us to lose our oil imports, all will go down. We can't do anything without oil. We can't manufacture, transport, get to work, heat many places...

Europe could easily crash before we do, taking us down with them for sure. They are super, super fragile with no real hope in sight.

There's a tipping point somewhere for our debt and printing and creating of fiat money. I think it will be sudden when people realize the money has no value. The government then can't pay its bills. That would throw the whole country into chaos.

Who knows? I've lived through several of these predicted doom days and nothing happened. I didn't believe it then either. This time my instincts tell me we are rushing in the wrong direction and a day of reckoning is coming.

 

[Just Jim]

ERRR Preston played a good lizard in the Last Starfighter"

 

[Burt Gummer]

What a lot of people fail to realize is that our economy is doomed. A destroyed economy and greater depression = shtf scenario. This is no Y2k BS. It may be a slow death, but nonetheless a death. The Top 100 Statistics About The Collapse Of The Economy That Every American Voter Should Know

As for storing food/preps I see zero downside. You rotate food or some options last 25-30 years. Where is the loss/risk? Food will not get cheaper. Those that have 4-5 days worth of food will wither away. It will be sad to watch.

Y2k was just silly. The coming economic collapse is not. Any minor event will push this frail Ponzi money-printing economy right off the cliff.

 

[Just Jim]

JJ, as Selco said, right when "they" are telling you everything is going to be OK but you sense something is wrong, then you just have to know for yourself.

If there is a war in the ME which causes us to lose our oil imports, all will go down. We can't do anything without oil. We can't manufacture, transport, get to work, heat many places...

Europe could easily crash before we do, taking us down with them for sure. They are super, super fragile with no real hope in sight.

There's a tipping point somewhere for our debt and printing and creating of fiat money. I think it will be sudden when people realize the money has no value. The government then can't pay its bills. That would throw the whole country into chaos.

Who knows? I've lived through several of these predicted doom days and nothing happened. I didn't believe it then either. This time my instincts tell me we are rushing in the wrong direction and a day of reckoning is coming.

I too have lived through alot of doom and gloom stuff, heck I may even be older than you (LOL) Are you going to be able to get fuel for the cat if you wait too long?

I have been reading how everyone is prepping here on this site but I have never seen anyone say "this is what sends me on the road" Just want to know what people think, there is no right or wrong answer. What will cause people to stand in the door ready to jump?

Sorry if this isn't an interesting subject but I am curious.



jj

 

[Gunner3456]

JJ, you asked "what has to happen first." It could be a lot of things. The world is very fragile now. As I said, the ME is very fragile and we can't maintain without that oil. Europe is truly on the verge of collapse, but they are having massive protests about budget cutting, people demanding what they can no longer afford.
Our money management in DC is a horrible mess - a house of cards.

We have 10,000 baby boomers retiring every day now, with a much smaller generation behind to pay for SS and medicare, and all the money's been stolen. A good estimate is that we are $60 trillion in the hole for that. Forget the $15 tril of claimed debt. It's $100 trillion, or $1.2 million for every family of four. Ain't going to get paid.

What has to happen first? I don't know but something is going to happen. I truly know it.

 

[Just Jim]

What a lot of people fail to realize is that our economy is doomed. A destroyed economy and greater depression = shtf scenario. This is no Y2k BS. It may be a slow death, but nonetheless a death. The Top 100 Statistics About The Collapse Of The Economy That Every American Voter Should Know

Yes agreed but what will have to happen for you to throw up the baricades? When do you load the mags and when do you keep the kids home from school???

jj

 

[Just Jim]

JJ, you asked "what has to happen first." It could be a lot of things. The world is very fragile now. As I said, the ME is very fragile and we can't maintain without that oil. Europe is truly on the verge of collapse, but they are having massive protests about budget cutting, people demanding what they can no longer afford.
Our money management in DC is a horrible mess - a house of cards.

We have 10,000 baby boomers retiring every day now, with a much smaller generation behind to pay for SS and medicare, and all the money's been stolen. A good estimate is that we are $60 trillion in the hole for that. Forget the $15 tril of claimed debt. It's $100 trillion, or $1.2 million for every family of four. Ain't going to get paid.

What has to happen first? I don't know but something is going to happen. I truly know it.

I agree whole heartedly. I am just wondering what escalation of events will trip the trigger with the people here. You see more and more go on, everything from the attorney General selling guns to the Cartels to corruption in Solyndra. Trillions have been stolen. Yet you know that is just what has come to light and there is alot more we haven't seen yet.

When it comes the day you are guys going to tell your none prepper friends to leave? What day will that be?

jj

 

[Gunner3456]

I agree whole heartedly. I am just wondering what escalation of events will trip the trigger with the people here. You see more and more go on, everything from the attorney General selling guns to the Cartels to corruption in Solyndra. Trillions have been stolen. Yet you know that is just what has come to light and there is alot more we haven't seen yet.

When it comes the day when are you guys going to tell your none prepper friends to leave? What day will that be?

jj

I don't think there's a way to predict that because I don't know what will trigger it, or how fast it will be, or what the sentinel event will be that brings it down. We may be in it now.

Look at history and other collapses. It didn't happen overnight, and some never saw it coming. 1/2 the Jews managed to escape Hitler, but not until they realized that millions of Jews were already being slaughtered.

It could be a lot of things because the whole world is a mess and hit any one of the dominoes and down it goes. Exactly how will I know the moment? I don't know.

 

[Burt Gummer]

A slim, fighting chance is better than no chance, ie, an empty cupboard.

 

[Just Jim]

I don't think there's a way to predict that because I don't know what will trigger it, or how fast it will be, or what the sentinel event will be that brings it down. We may be in it now.

Look at history and other collapses. It didn't happen overnight, and some never saw it coming. 1/2 the Jews managed to escape Hitler, but not until they realized that millions of Jews were already being slaughtered.

It could be a lot of things because the whole world is a mess and hit any one of the dominoes and down it goes. Exactly how will I know the moment? I don't know.

You and I remember "duck and cover" drills in school and maybe you remember being sent home from school during the Cuban missle crisis so you could die with your family. Times were bad then and you knew something was going to happen because the government raised the red flag to tell you

Today it is government causeing the problems so I doubt there will be the same kind of warning. Heck government is backing the protesters, what happens when they turn violent?

jj

 

[Partsproduction]

We know from history that national disasters do happen, it's hard to look back because "History is written by the victors" but people in Germany should have seen the holocaust coming, many times as many Jews should have left Germany and other European countries than did, it's pretty clear that they didn't want to believe what was happening. Many millions died who should have seen what is obvious in hindsight. (One common estimate is 50 million dead during WW2 worldwide.)

I'm not sure what the triggers will be, when the other two credit appraisers drop America's ratings?

I can't think of any other examples at the moment, but I know there are some in the history books. In every case some of the people minimized the problems, the wise fled, and the majority suffered for their short sightedness.

 

[Just Jim]

JJ, not a SHTF advisor and thankfully I don't have kids. All I am saying is that the OP seems to be mocking people wise enough to prep and that is foolish. People purchase fire insurance for their home when the chance of a fire is .002%.

The same people won't even purchase a $100 bucket of freeze dried food. Why is that?

To do so is to admit that there is a chance it may not be possible at some point to get to a stocked grocery store. That things will never get that bad, that the status quo will never change. People want to believe only things that bring them comfort. That is why people believe the ridiculous as long as the story is positive and comforting. We are partying like its 1928.

A scenario that is unpleasant is disregarded as nonsense.

Knowing what is coming in terms of the US/global economy, what is more important than prepping on some level? Do the uninformed believe what their corporate TV is saying, where does this level of delusion come from? We have printed more paper/digital money since 2005 than the entire history of the nation since 1776.

It is just a giant Ponzi of quadrillions in derivatives ready to evaporate. There are no solutions. Recovery is impossible. Everything that dug us out of the first Depression is gone. We are neutered.

That said, it is easier being happy and living day to day knowing what is coming and that one has done what one can to prep. A slim, fighting chance is better than no chance, ie, an empty cupboard.

If I were mocking preppers then I would be mocking myself. Still there has to be some question in peoples mind over better long term storage should it not all play out like a fast food service. 40 years is alot of warning and plenty of time to prep.

I know how people are and that was why I was asking people who replied to this thread what they think. Most of you are preppers but few discuss what it will take for their plan of action to happen. "I will know it when I see it" sounds more like a panic time than a time of thought out planning.

My style of writting must bug some people but I am no different than any of the rest of you, other than I write different.

jj

 

[Mark W.]

Some one here once said "When the trucks stop running on the Freeway" SHHTF. I tend to agree.

When Walmart isn't getting restocked then its time to hunker down or run depending on your "plan"

 

[Just Jim]

We know from history that national disasters do happen, it's hard to look back because "History is written by the victors" but people in Germany should have seen the holocaust coming, many times as many Jews should have left Germany and other European countries than did, it's pretty clear that they didn't want to believe what was happening. Many millions died who should have seen what is obvious in hindsight. (One common estimate is 50 million dead during WW2 worldwide.)

I'm not sure what the triggers will be, when the other two credit appraisers drop America's ratings?

I can't think of any other examples at the moment, but I know there are some in the history books. In every case some of the people minimized the problems, the wise fled, and the majority suffered for their short sightedness.

The Jews should have known when the Nazi Socialist started singleing them out and robbing them of their wealth that the next step was death. Just like we Americans should know that when the socialist progressives run up trillions in debt (the same as stealing) that what comes next can't be good for us.

I am going to know it will be the time when the streets turn like 1968 again. That will be my first warning flag to start escalating toward greater preparedness. When the blood starts running in the streets of the big cities the hurricane warning is up.

How about you guys?

jj

 

[Burt Gummer]

Everything will be fine. Xfactor is on; Beavis and Butthead are back on the air.

 

[dolooper]

You some to be under some sort of misapprehension that preparation is only useful in a SHTF scenario. Many plan for that but know as well that their preparations are just as valuable when the fan simply stops oscillating.

Any food I store will have the same value when the long-term unemployment checks stop coming as it would when Mt. Hood takes out Troutdale and to the east or the CSZ finally lets go with the big one. Likewise, the guns and ammo I have represent both a means of defense and a ready access to cash if all I face is personal economic hard times.

I don't rely on the remote likelihood of a global economic meltdown or an al Qaeda nuclear attack on Dutch Brothers Coffee as the basis for understanding the merit of reasonable preparations.

I am reminded of the grasshopper who danced the summer away, for some reason.

 

[pdx lefty]

Everything will be fine. Xfactor is on; Beavis and Butthead are back on the air.

Sounds just like a friend/co-worker when i tell him to get his S together. Except he usually says "What are you talking about? It's chill!"

He once told me his plan was to come over to my place. I just started laughing and asked, why? He said, because you have your S together. I told him, you don't know anything i don't know, you cant do anything i cant do and you don't have anything i need. He just looks at me said, what do you mean? I said, i don't have a use for you. Further more, what makes you think I'll be there? The look of confusion on his face was priceless! BTW, he doesn't even know where i live. What a plan?!

To the OP, not sure yet but my eyes are wide open.

Lefty.

 

[The Duck]

Maybe to get back on track:

1. When states and further more federal unemployment benefits closes down. When it comes down to looking at ones starving kids, what would many families do?
2. When state prisons can no longer afford to house and maintain facilities on a massive scale (i.e. not just early release of non violent criminals like what Cal did).
3. If and when permanent national guard or worse more reservist are stationed on the Mexico border to close it down (i.e. feds cannot assemble on U.S. soil without orders from congress and if so, it would be one huge step to marshal law or make it easy to gray the line of what we believe it to be)...

Far fetch, but these are some good flags which some might not think of?

 

[speelyei]

I can only speak for myself.

I have a lot of things to think about. I am a family man with small children and a good woman by my side. This makes any sort of bug-out/run'n'gun option a dreadful last resort for me. I have spent a lot of time camping and climbing and road tripping, as an avocation. It's fun, but expensive and temporary. A family needs security, and that manifests itself in a lot of ways, none of which are particularly met in a transient existence.

Looking back on history, I have often asked myself, "why didn't they just leave?". I used to think it was because "they" failed to grasp the inevitable outcome we see so easily after the fact. Now I have the suspicion that people stay put in bad situations because they don't see running as an option. They can't or won't leave. The motivations to stay are as varied as the people who chose to do so.

I would never call myself a prepper. My actions are too sporadic and it's half rationalization anyway. I like guns and they are prohibitively expensive, so I rationalize a "need". We lay in a supply of canned food and dry goods periodically because it's an effort to buy in bulk, think proactively, and a step toward better budgeting our money. I like to learn new skills, whether it's woodworking, stained glass, mil-dot ranging, surfing, tracking, learning to speak spanish... whatever. You never know what's going to come in handy, and skills lead to other skills.

I would stay home and continue to work, or to maintain my domicile, until it became untenable to stay.

 

[knuckle Head]

I can only speak for myself.

I have a lot of things to think about. I am a family man with small children and a good woman by my side. This makes any sort of bug-out/run'n'gun option a dreadful last resort for me. I have spent a lot of time camping and climbing and road tripping, as an avocation. It's fun, but expensive and temporary. A family needs security, and that manifests itself in a lot of ways, none of which are particularly met in a transient existence.

Looking back on history, I have often asked myself, "why didn't they just leave?". I used to think it was because "they" failed to grasp the inevitable outcome we see so easily after the fact. Now I have the suspicion that people stay put in bad situations because they don't see running as an option. They can't or won't leave. The motivations to stay are as varied as the people who chose to do so.

I would never call myself a prepper. My actions are too sporadic and it's half rationalization anyway. I like guns and they are prohibitively expensive, so I rationalize a "need". We lay in a supply of canned food and dry goods periodically because it's an effort to buy in bulk, think proactively, and a step toward better budgeting our money. I like to learn new skills, whether it's woodworking, stained glass, mil-dot ranging, surfing, tracking, learning to speak spanish... whatever. You never know what's going to come in handy, and skills lead to other skills.

I would stay home and continue to work, or to maintain my domicile, until it became untenable to stay.

I don't if you do or do not have any guns, but even a couple of inexpensive ones would be better than none to protect your family if you had to hit the road in a SHTF situation or to protect your family and what supplies ou have from roving gangs.