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WSP on 594

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by slimer13, Nov 13, 2014.

  1. slimer13

    slimer13 Deer Park Well-Known Member

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    Either they haven't read it or are subtly telling how they plan on enforcing it. My $$$ is on the first one.

    OLYMPIA – Gun rights activists plan to bring their firearms to the Capitol next month to engage in civil disobedience by violating the new background check law that they despise.
    But there may be a flaw in the plan. What they say they’re going to do – “openly exchange guns” by handing them to someone else – isn’t against Initiative 594, according to Bob Calkins, spokesman for the Washington State Patrol, which provides law enforcement on the Capitol grounds. They won’t be arrested or cited for doing that

    No one will be arrested for exchanging guns, said Calkins, the patrol spokesman.



    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/nov/13/gun-rights-activists-plan-i-594-protest-at-capitol/
     
  2. solv3nt

    solv3nt Portland Well-Known Member

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    Hahaha, my bet is that they haven't read it.
     
  3. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    WSP has yet to be replaced with an overwhelming cadre of Fellow Travelers, a few months, a few years and everything may change, enormously.
    Read 'The Gestapo" by Leroy and know America's future
     
  4. usagi

    usagi Redmond Well-Known Member

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    this is what i've been saying all along. nobody is going to be arrested. this rally is going to backfire and make gun owners look like fools.
     
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  5. blackmouth

    blackmouth Tacoma New Member

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    It seems to me that the people who voted for the initiative without understanding it are the fools.

    Will some people think that the protest will make the gun owners will look like fools?
    Perhaps the very same people who voted for 594 and still don't know what's in it.

    So how do we get those who will not open their eyes to see?
     
  6. revjen45

    revjen45 Snohomish County Well-Known Member

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    The Lamestream Media will ignore it just like they did with anything that didn't support the premise of 594. Thus the Drooling Masses will never hear of it.
     
  7. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Have a person sell to another person - that exchange they can't ignore.

    But be prepared to deal with the consequences.
     
  8. usagi

    usagi Redmond Well-Known Member

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    you don't get it by getting in their face with wild eyed screaming. which is basically what this rally is.

    this rally is poorly thought out, poorly timed, poorly planned, and will just backfire. it's purely reactionary, bad idea. it should be strategic and is not.
     
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  9. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    If people do not learn by Connecticut they probably will crash and burn.
    A simple "We will not comply" from tens of thousands or a majority of those that voted against
    that bill, is all it will take to win.
    Standing strong and a massive turnout with simple things like the signs and the tee shirts saying
    "We will not comply with laws that infringe on the 2nd Amendment"
    will be the most effective thing that can happen.
    It is how many actually have the courage and how many actually will support the constitution that will win it for you. Far too many are blowhards and won't show.
    Just remember who does and who does not show up and stand up. Connecticut citizens (gun owners) surprised
    me and I have great respect for them.
    They stood up as a giant body and stood like Iron against an unjust law.
     
  10. balaperdida

    balaperdida eastern idaho Well-Known Member

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    ^^^^^^^
    Wearing my "collective conscience" hat again:

    Gun owners currently hold the moral high ground because practically all can be described accurately as law-abiding gun owners. Openly declaring that "...We will not comply with laws..." plays directly into the hands of the Bloomboogers and their ilk.
     
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  11. slimer13

    slimer13 Deer Park Well-Known Member

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    So where is your line in the sand? Registration? AWB? Standard cap mag ban? Compromise and compliance always moves that line further our way and then the push for the new "compromise" and new "common sense"
    restrictions begin all over.
     
  12. Bazooka Joe

    Bazooka Joe Lower Yakima Valley Well-Known Member

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  13. chariot13

    chariot13 Near Eugene/Springfield Well-Known Member

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    I never understood why anyone touts about being law abiding as a good thing for when the law they want to abide to is unjust. Again not complying is more important & the right thing to do more than abiding to these gun laws....
     
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  14. usagi

    usagi Redmond Well-Known Member

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    ^^^^

    gun owners have always been digging their heels in the sand and yelling "no compromise! no prisoners! molon labe!". what has that accomplished so far?

    oh, 594. right.

    simply ignoring the law is going to turn public opinion against gun owners and simply make people even more eager to vote in favor of those restrictive laws.

    understand this - like it or not all your rights are dependent on public opinion. public opinion has created and repealed constitutional amendments! if you want to win elections, legislature, congress, courts, you MUST win public opinion.

    if your actions are driving opinion against gun owners and in favor of MORE gun laws, how does that help us? how in any way does that count as a success for gun owners?

    stomping your feet and yelling I WANT MY GUN RIGHTS, RIGHT NOW accomplishes nothing except make gun owners look like entitled whiners.

    working to change things in legislature, the courts, public relations, is certainly harder and less satisfying work. but it is how we have won in the past and it is where our wins currently come from.
     
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  15. usagi

    usagi Redmond Well-Known Member

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    and again, it means this rally will not result in the desired outcome. the stated plan was "civil disobedience" by handing guns around in circles so people would get arrested.

    now it's confirmed, as i was saying all along, that nobody at the rally is going to be arrested, and gun owners will be made to look like fools.
     
  16. chariot13

    chariot13 Near Eugene/Springfield Well-Known Member

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    You sound bitter lol that people will be there getting away with what they're going to do. Even tho police will do nothing its good to show the public that you can hand your gun to someone without repercussions....
     
  17. slimer13

    slimer13 Deer Park Well-Known Member

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    No they have not. They compromised in 1934 and 1968 and 1994 and in NY and in NJ and CA and IL etc, and what has that got them?

    If enough people ignore this law then what are they going to do? Not a thing, just like at this rally

    And the "public opinion" ship has sailed. The culture gap is too big between King/Pierce counties (the deciders)and the rest of the state to let the rights of the people in Kettle Falls depend on the whims of the people in Seattle.
     
  18. usagi

    usagi Redmond Well-Known Member

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    the public opinion ship has NOT sailed, i have talked to enough people in king co to know that for certain.

    if it had really sailed, I-676 would not have crashed and burned like it did.

    if it had really sailed, HB 1016 and SB 5956 would have not sailed through the legislature basically unopposed (thanks ranb!)

    there is still enough people out there who can be persuaded to support us, despite bloomberg's millions and claims of "90% support for background checks" they only managed to eke out 59% in favor of 594.

    it won't happen if gun owners continue to alienate people in the middle though.

    public opinion is everything in this war.
     
  19. YoungBlood

    YoungBlood SW Washington Active Member

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    Who cares what the WSP has said? Especially of you're planning on not following the law? Wouldn't it be more important to portray gun owners/activists as the rational intelligent people that most of us are instead of the rabid hillbillies they portray us to be?
     
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  20. oknow

    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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    It will be interesting to see how many Leo's that said they will not enforce illegal laws standby there word and follow the Constitution
     
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