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Andy, I have opined here frequently about the lack of balance in the teaching profession. When we went to school, there were many WW2 vet teachers that kept the goofy liberals in check. Today (as you know) you are one of a very few in the profession. So many have never done anything productive or real outside of passing a final test and when they congregate in close proximity like a school they become insufferable as well as infecting impressionable young people with there unrealistic dogma. It must be a challenge for a real person to work in that environment. You are a better man than I.I teach at a high school...and while we do have a plan for dealing with a intruder....I like the idea of options.
Having been in combat , I know that many times the plan goes awry or becomes unworkable for reasons beyond our control...being armed , can give a teacher some more control over a uncontrolled situation.
I also like the idea of some sort of training with emphasis on :
Crowds...
Coming to terms with after effects of shooting...both in a building and the more emotional / psyche changing outlook of actually shooting someone...
Room clearing / securing...
I have experience with this...but it was done with the Army , in a combat zone...which worked great there...but it may not be the best way , in a school...
Talking with the local law enforcement and getting some ideas on what they would want a teacher to do in this situation , if armed , is a good idea as well.
Making sure that the teachers / staff understand:
Just what bullets actually do ...
That the intruder will not go by your school's plan...
Shooting someone is not all like what you may have seen on TV or in the movies...
Having a gun and more importantly the willingness to use it effectively , should be only part of the school's overall plan...
A armed , trained and willing staff is needed ...I am glad to see that at least one district is going in that direction.
Andy
I teach at a high school...and while we do have a plan for dealing with a intruder....I like the idea of options.
Having been in combat , I know that many times the plan goes awry or becomes unworkable for reasons beyond our control...being armed , can give a teacher some more control over a uncontrolled situation.
I also like the idea of some sort of training with emphasis on :
Crowds...
Coming to terms with after effects of shooting...both in a building and the more emotional / psyche changing outlook of actually shooting someone...
Room clearing / securing...
I have experience with this...but it was done with the Army , in a combat zone...which worked great there...but it may not be the best way , in a school...
Talking with the local law enforcement and getting some ideas on what they would want a teacher to do in this situation , if armed , is a good idea as well.
Making sure that the teachers / staff understand:
Just what bullets actually do ...
That the intruder will not go by your school's plan...
Shooting someone is not all like what you may have seen on TV or in the movies...
Having a gun and more importantly the willingness to use it effectively , should be only part of the school's overall plan...
A armed , trained and willing staff is needed ...I am glad to see that at least one district is going in that direction.
Andy
I teach at a high school...and while we do have a plan for dealing with a intruder....I like the idea of options.
Having been in combat , I know that many times the plan goes awry or becomes unworkable for reasons beyond our control...being armed , can give a teacher some more control over a uncontrolled situation.
I also like the idea of some sort of training with emphasis on :
Crowds...
Coming to terms with after effects of shooting...both in a building and the more emotional / psyche changing outlook of actually shooting someone...
Room clearing / securing...
I have experience with this...but it was done with the Army , in a combat zone...which worked great there...but it may not be the best way , in a school...
Talking with the local law enforcement and getting some ideas on what they would want a teacher to do in this situation , if armed , is a good idea as well.
Making sure that the teachers / staff understand:
Just what bullets actually do ...
That the intruder will not go by your school's plan...
Shooting someone is not all like what you may have seen on TV or in the movies...
Having a gun and more importantly the willingness to use it effectively , should be only part of the school's overall plan...
A armed , trained and willing staff is needed ...I am glad to see that at least one district is going in that direction.
Andy
I am completely in favor of voluntary training and carry because it's not for everyone. My wife teaches but has no interest in carrying.
Not to take away from SROs but we have a great untapped resource in our returning vets. These are trained sheepdogs and I've spoken to a few who would jump at the chance to keep our kids safe.
As a retired marine and substitute Instructional Assistant, I would really enjoy the opportunity to do something exactly like that. Of course, it would take probably another two years of school to get my teaching certification.
As a retired marine and substitute Instructional Assistant, I would really enjoy the opportunity to do something exactly like that. Of course, it would take probably another two years of school to get my teaching certification.
If it's something you feel strongly about, you should look into it. Both my in-laws became teachers after retiring from the Air Force (26 and 22 years). FIL just stopped last year at 65, MIL is still teaching Special Ed.As a retired marine and substitute Instructional Assistant, I would really enjoy the opportunity to do something exactly like that. Of course, it would take probably another two years of school to get my teaching certification.
A couple of thoughts here, and we'll stipulate that I am in favor of everybody who has the desire and dedication to make the continuing effort to get -and to keep- themselves trained to defend themselves and others.
First is: the idea of arming staff in schools is a logical first step but (not having read the article) the discussion seems a bit short-sighted if it's only about guns, guns, guns.
Almost all of these school shootings are a form of suicide for the actors. A suicide set in a situation that is almost certainly going to get them some 'fame'.
The one thing they do NOT want is to be arrested and kept alive to face trial and jail. I am thinking that if, in addition to lethal force, the schools had some XREP Taser shotguns or some ordinary X-26's as well as some Mk-9 1-pound cans of OC/CS, and everybody knew it, the shooters might be looking at an uncertain outcome- that of surviving their rampage and a lifetime of prison.
Secondly, what we're doing is looking for the best duct tape to keep the wings from falling off- instead of focusing on why the wings are coming off in the first place.
Why are so many (and almost all of 'em are) young white males going into a school to shoot staff and students and get themselves killed in the process? There's where the answer that matters can be found.
I think it is already legal to carry concealed in a public school in Oregon if you have a CHL. Please correct me if I am wrong.
As far as why so many young white males shoot up schools - it is an important question, but answering that question and fixing it may take a while. The immediate focus for schools and law enforcement should be better school security to keep out bad people; and on allowing teachers to use guns to protect students if the security fails.
I seen 1 with gun free zone signs out on the road .in Yamhill if I remember correctI think it is already legal to carry concealed in a public school in Oregon if you have a CHL. Please correct me if I am wrong.
As far as why so many young white males shoot up schools - it is an important question, but answering that question and fixing it may take a while. The immediate focus for schools and law enforcement should be better school security to keep out bad people; and on allowing teachers to use guns to protect students if the security fails.
I teach at a high school...and while we do have a plan for dealing with a intruder....I like the idea of options.
Having been in combat , I know that many times the plan goes awry or becomes unworkable for reasons beyond our control...being armed , can give a teacher some more control over a uncontrolled situation.
I also like the idea of some sort of training with emphasis on :
Crowds...
Coming to terms with the after effects of shooting...both in a building and the more emotional / psyche changing outlook of actually shooting someone...
Room clearing / securing...
I have experience with this...but it was done with the Army , in a combat zone...which worked great there...but it may not be the best way , in a school...
Talking with the local law enforcement and getting some ideas on what they would want a teacher to do in this situation , if armed , is a good idea as well.
Making sure that the teachers / staff understand:
Just what bullets actually do ...
That the intruder will not go by your school's plan...
Shooting someone is not all like what you may have seen on TV or in the movies...
Having a gun and more importantly the willingness to use it effectively , should be only part of the school's overall plan...
A armed , trained and willing staff is needed ...I am glad to see that at least one district is going in that direction.
Andy