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Any other fellow Northwesterners ever considered moving to North Idaho in these chaotic times? I'd be interested to hear other people survival plans of where they may go to. Especially for those poor souls stuck in the cities of Portland and Seattle and may not feel confident riding out a more chaotic economic situation if SHTF.
I've been reading several articles from different sites of best states/areas to ride out economic collapse in the USA, which is seeming to me to be more and more likely with how things are going and even conservative states now are pandering to the whole perpetual lockdown agenda like Texas and Florida. In fact, I wouldn't doubt if we have a Biden presidency that he would lock us down the way it was done in Europe via Executive Order, even ,and mandate only mandatory store trips, require certification or authorization from authorities, phone tracking apps, etc. Especially, if Americans start panicking when they see we have 20,000+ cases a day. Yes, some say NEVER HERE, but I say NEVER SAY NEVER. THings have been happening I thought never could happen.
I lived in South Idaho for 2 years and it wasn't my cup of tea, just because I am not really a desert person and Boise wasn't my favorite city, even though I loved the mountains around it like the Sawtooths. The city, itself, seems to be getting more liberal and doesn't have the freedom loving Idaho spirit you see outside of Boise proper. Although Ada county, itself, is a mixed bag. I am one of those doomsdayers who feels economic collapse is near and trying to think of the best place I can go to ride out this storm. I'm not in my prime anymore due to disability and being a little older, but still feel I have some fight left in me. Maybe, getting away from the computer a bit more often may do me more good than harm. I am a software developer by trade, but been struggling after losing my business due to Covid.
I am currently living in the Southern US in the metro of Nashville, TN but want to get out of here for many reasons. For one, Nashville is becoming as liberal as many of the Left Coast cities and its politics are wrecking havoc on the area. Of course, despite a huge surge in murders, armed robberies and other types of crime the mayor has vowed to cut the police force to appease BLM/Antifa protesters /rioters who wrecked havoc on our cities. Although, thanks to our Governor, they didn't get to harass the city for too long before he brought the Guard in. However, of the four major Tennessee cities , all of them are either very liberal (Memphis, Nashville, Chattanooga) or moderately, like Knoxville. Knox county is pretty conservative and freedom minded. A lot of rural mountain areas to the East could make some think of it as a good place for survivalists. But, some fear the giant nuclear facilties nearby.
However, the South just has a lot more violent crime than the Northwest even in some smaller towns; although, not necessary as many burglaries. But, who knows how these things are actually reported. Seems like every day I hear about violent burglaries gone wrong in Nashville. Just yesterday a 72 year old guy shot dead a 27 year old drug addict who broke into his house and tried charging him. It's getting too common here. Then, there is the fact Nashville is about as expensive as Portland is and the wages are not really any higher. The economy is collapsing, the city is in bankruptcy and yes, that affects everyone in the area. To me, this does not feel like a good place to survive or ride out the storm of economic collapse. Nashville, like a few other boom towns, was a city gambling with its future with its huge debts and I feel it has lost.
Well, leaving aside why I want to get out of Nashville I am thinking where I do want to go. I will say being from Oregon I miss the Cascade mountains and the Northwest alot. But, I saw the storm clouds coming when I was living in Seattle area a few years ago and knew it was time to get the hell out of dodge. Yeah, my intuition was very correct as that was right before I-1639 passed (I-549 already passed) and all the other chaos and the rise of the Communist revolution in the Northwest which is now seems to be in full throttle. They shut down one Chaz, another is bound to open. Too many crazies West of the Cascades. I left Oregon because the taxes were brutalizing my small business and it was not $800/mo for a nice house in SW Portland like back in the 90s.. Those houses were going for $2000/mo to rent.
However, to me if you are a native to the Northwest, North Idaho is really an ideal place. It is everything we could want the Northwest to be and reminds me more of the way the Northwest use to be. The forested mountains will give a Western Cascade person the feel like they are still back home and the Selkirk and Rocky mountains to the East are stunning, remote and some of most beautiful scenery I have seen in my travels across the country and world. It seems like so many of the articles I read about best places to weather the storm of economic collapse and societal chaos points to North Idaho, Western Montana and Wyoming. SOme claim Eastern WA and Eastern OR, but I worry being under the iron grip of such despotic leaders especially if we have a Presidency and Congress that swings to the radically left side against civil rights , especially in a time of economic despair. However, Montana, seems to be struggling a bit with the large number of liberal transplants who now want to vote away their freedoms. Ironic in a state that cherished freedom and independence for so long. I feel Idaho and Wyoming (too rural and empty for some) could be last refuges for people on the WEst Coast. Utah seems to have a growing faction of craziness too, but its environment does make me wonder of its survival potential Salt Lake City has a good economy but seems to have a radical element and I was surprised by the large presence of gangs and other shady elements for being such a remote city in Rocky mountains.
If I was to stay local, many of the same magazines/articles that boast about North Idaho, Wyoming or Montana due seem to have some reverence to the Appalachian mountain region of Eastern Kentucky, Far-Eastern Tennessee and potentially North Carolina and South Carolina (which are more Southeastern/Mid-Atlantic states, but also cross into Appalachia). As much as I would like to try to move to North Idaho and live in Coeur d'Alene, Sandpoint, even Post Falls , I am coming to the reality with Covid that it will be damn hard to move across country and not practical, especially with loss of my business. I notice there are much, much fewer rentals available (esp for July) and for those trying to buy , many have taken houses off the market. I am coming to terms I will be probably stuck in the South to ride out whatever impending economic doom we may face.
I am thinking about headed to areas like Johnson City, TN or Lexington, KY that are kind of reminiscent to me of rural Oregon in some ways. A little different culture, but not bad people. Some may be considered a little rough around the edges up in the Appalachians. Just a little hard being an outsider it seems. However, the cost of living in Johnson City/Tri Cities or even Lexington , KY isn't bad and the crime is lower in these places compared to bigger cities in the South. Some of these articles suggest living in rural Eastern Kentucky, but damn, unless you grow and hunt your own food and have a little knowledge of the land good luck surviving out there. Ever heard the song You'll Never Leave Harlan alive? Haha.. Not that I am not striving to be self-sufficient at some point, but I think Eastern TN has a little more civilization and not the immense poverty of Eastern KY. I am far from being any survivalist, I will not lie. Been so stuck in rat-race, I strayed away from prepping and surviving and regretting it. But, I am aiming at finding a place I can survive the storm and hopefully live the best life I can.
These magazines make some good point about retreating to places like Alaska, Rural Wisconsin, Michigan, North Dakota, etc. Very, very cold and desolate places and if our society is crumbling it may not be the easiest places to survive unless you have serious winter survival skills. Living in a city like Anchorage , itself, is a questionable place and no guarantees how it will weather the "economic storm". It's crime rate is pretty high.
I think big cities are not the best place to be if things go more downhill as I am seeing. It seems living in smaller cities or towns with low crime, moderate weather (unless you can handle the cold or extreme heat) are most ideal. Perhaps we may not have pure anarchy or mass suffering, but just live in a crappier, poorer, more crime-ridden world and living away from the chaos , but not in middle of absolute nowhere is the goal. If you are one of those people with a bunker and 5-10+ years of supplies and live way out in the woods more power to you. That would be the most ideal, obviously. That was my 10 year plan.. I botched that up .
Here are the articles I read that gave me a little inspiration. One is 10 years old, but damn, still seems relevant:
Any other fellow Northwesterners ever considered moving to North Idaho in these chaotic times? I'd be interested to hear other people survival plans of where they may go to. Especially for those poor souls stuck in the cities of Portland and Seattle and may not feel confident riding out a more chaotic economic situation if SHTF.
I've been reading several articles from different sites of best states/areas to ride out economic collapse in the USA, which is seeming to me to be more and more likely with how things are going and even conservative states now are pandering to the whole perpetual lockdown agenda like Texas and Florida. In fact, I wouldn't doubt if we have a Biden presidency that he would lock us down the way it was done in Europe via Executive Order, even ,and mandate only mandatory store trips, require certification or authorization from authorities, phone tracking apps, etc. Especially, if Americans start panicking when they see we have 20,000+ cases a day. Yes, some say NEVER HERE, but I say NEVER SAY NEVER. THings have been happening I thought never could happen.
I lived in South Idaho for 2 years and it wasn't my cup of tea, just because I am not really a desert person and Boise wasn't my favorite city, even though I loved the mountains around it like the Sawtooths. The city, itself, seems to be getting more liberal and doesn't have the freedom loving Idaho spirit you see outside of Boise proper. Although Ada county, itself, is a mixed bag. I am one of those doomsdayers who feels economic collapse is near and trying to think of the best place I can go to ride out this storm. I'm not in my prime anymore due to disability and being a little older, but still feel I have some fight left in me. Maybe, getting away from the computer a bit more often may do me more good than harm. I am a software developer by trade, but been struggling after losing my business due to Covid.
I am currently living in the Southern US in the metro of Nashville, TN but want to get out of here for many reasons. For one, Nashville is becoming as liberal as many of the Left Coast cities and its politics are wrecking havoc on the area. Of course, despite a huge surge in murders, armed robberies and other types of crime the mayor has vowed to cut the police force to appease BLM/Antifa protesters /rioters who wrecked havoc on our cities. Although, thanks to our Governor, they didn't get to harass the city for too long before he brought the Guard in. However, of the four major Tennessee cities , all of them are either very liberal (Memphis, Nashville, Chattanooga) or moderately, like Knoxville. Knox county is pretty conservative and freedom minded. A lot of rural mountain areas to the East could make some think of it as a good place for survivalists. But, some fear the giant nuclear facilties nearby.
However, the South just has a lot more violent crime than the Northwest even in some smaller towns; although, not necessary as many burglaries. But, who knows how these things are actually reported. Seems like every day I hear about violent burglaries gone wrong in Nashville. Just yesterday a 72 year old guy shot dead a 27 year old drug addict who broke into his house and tried charging him. It's getting too common here. Then, there is the fact Nashville is about as expensive as Portland is and the wages are not really any higher. The economy is collapsing, the city is in bankruptcy and yes, that affects everyone in the area. To me, this does not feel like a good place to survive or ride out the storm of economic collapse. Nashville, like a few other boom towns, was a city gambling with its future with its huge debts and I feel it has lost.
Well, leaving aside why I want to get out of Nashville I am thinking where I do want to go. I will say being from Oregon I miss the Cascade mountains and the Northwest alot. But, I saw the storm clouds coming when I was living in Seattle area a few years ago and knew it was time to get the hell out of dodge. Yeah, my intuition was very correct as that was right before I-1639 passed (I-549 already passed) and all the other chaos and the rise of the Communist revolution in the Northwest which is now seems to be in full throttle. They shut down one Chaz, another is bound to open. Too many crazies West of the Cascades. I left Oregon because the taxes were brutalizing my small business and it was not $800/mo for a nice house in SW Portland like back in the 90s.. Those houses were going for $2000/mo to rent.
However, to me if you are a native to the Northwest, North Idaho is really an ideal place. It is everything we could want the Northwest to be and reminds me more of the way the Northwest use to be. The forested mountains will give a Western Cascade person the feel like they are still back home and the Selkirk and Rocky mountains to the East are stunning, remote and some of most beautiful scenery I have seen in my travels across the country and world. It seems like so many of the articles I read about best places to weather the storm of economic collapse and societal chaos points to North Idaho, Western Montana and Wyoming. SOme claim Eastern WA and Eastern OR, but I worry being under the iron grip of such despotic leaders especially if we have a Presidency and Congress that swings to the radically left side against civil rights , especially in a time of economic despair. However, Montana, seems to be struggling a bit with the large number of liberal transplants who now want to vote away their freedoms. Ironic in a state that cherished freedom and independence for so long. I feel Idaho and Wyoming (too rural and empty for some) could be last refuges for people on the WEst Coast. Utah seems to have a growing faction of craziness too, but its environment does make me wonder of its survival potential Salt Lake City has a good economy but seems to have a radical element and I was surprised by the large presence of gangs and other shady elements for being such a remote city in Rocky mountains.
If I was to stay local, many of the same magazines/articles that boast about North Idaho, Wyoming or Montana due seem to have some reverence to the Appalachian mountain region of Eastern Kentucky, Far-Eastern Tennessee and potentially North Carolina and South Carolina (which are more Southeastern/Mid-Atlantic states, but also cross into Appalachia). As much as I would like to try to move to North Idaho and live in Coeur d'Alene, Sandpoint, even Post Falls , I am coming to the reality with Covid that it will be damn hard to move across country and not practical, especially with loss of my business. I notice there are much, much fewer rentals available (esp for July) and for those trying to buy , many have taken houses off the market. I am coming to terms I will be probably stuck in the South to ride out whatever impending economic doom we may face.
I am thinking about headed to areas like Johnson City, TN or Lexington, KY that are kind of reminiscent to me of rural Oregon in some ways. A little different culture, but not bad people. Some may be considered a little rough around the edges up in the Appalachians. Just a little hard being an outsider it seems. However, the cost of living in Johnson City/Tri Cities or even Lexington , KY isn't bad and the crime is lower in these places compared to bigger cities in the South. Some of these articles suggest living in rural Eastern Kentucky, but damn, unless you grow and hunt your own food and have a little knowledge of the land good luck surviving out there. Ever heard the song You'll Never Leave Harlan alive? Haha.. Not that I am not striving to be self-sufficient at some point, but I think Eastern TN has a little more civilization and not the immense poverty of Eastern KY. I am far from being any survivalist, I will not lie. Been so stuck in rat-race, I strayed away from prepping and surviving and regretting it. But, I am aiming at finding a place I can survive the storm and hopefully live the best life I can.
These magazines make some good point about retreating to places like Alaska, Rural Wisconsin, Michigan, North Dakota, etc. Very, very cold and desolate places and if our society is crumbling it may not be the easiest places to survive unless you have serious winter survival skills. Living in a city like Anchorage , itself, is a questionable place and no guarantees how it will weather the "economic storm". It's crime rate is pretty high.
I think big cities are not the best place to be if things go more downhill as I am seeing. It seems living in smaller cities or towns with low crime, moderate weather (unless you can handle the cold or extreme heat) are most ideal. Perhaps we may not have pure anarchy or mass suffering, but just live in a crappier, poorer, more crime-ridden world and living away from the chaos , but not in middle of absolute nowhere is the goal. If you are one of those people with a bunker and 5-10+ years of supplies and live way out in the woods more power to you. That would be the most ideal, obviously. That was my 10 year plan.. I botched that up .
Here are the articles I read that gave me a little inspiration. One is 10 years old, but damn, still seems relevant:
What Is The Best Place In The U.S. To Prepare For The Coming Economic Collapse?
www.businessinsider.com
The 5 Best Places In America To ‘Bug Out’ When Society Collapses
Many people wonder where the safest place to retreat is should a major disaster hit, an economic collapse occur, or the power grid go down for an extended period of time. In truth, there is no singular “safe place” where you are guaranteed to survive no matter what, but there are certain factors...
www.offthegridnews.com
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