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West Virginia goes Constitutional Carry

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Steve32, Mar 6, 2016.

  1. Steve32

    Steve32 US Active Member

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    I don't see any thread about this, but I think it's worth mentioning.



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    svxr8dr Vancouver, WA OathKeeper #004404

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  3. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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  4. nammac

    nammac I-5 Corridor - West of Portland Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    This should be the big push by the pro gun lobby here in Oregon for the next legislative session. Repeal the restrictions on the Second Amendment.

    Make Oregon a Constitutional Carry State... Let's face it asking permission to exercise a right, it's no right at all but then a privilege...
     
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  5. PaulB47

    PaulB47 Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    I don't need a bureaucrat's permission to defend my family.
     
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  6. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    Don't confuse defense with the ability to carry concealed without a license.
     
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  7. Steve32

    Steve32 US Active Member

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    The 2nd Amendment is the law. The same as you don't get a license for free speech.

    Also, I'm pretty sure there is a connection between self defense tools and the self defense itself. :)
     
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  8. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    Not so much. Your self defense can achieved with a stick, sling or even a knife.

    The 2nd is about ownership of firearms.
     
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  9. Steve32

    Steve32 US Active Member

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    So, why would anyone carry a firearm in public, if not for selfdefense? Is there any other reason for carrying a firearm at a Walmart parking lot? You can't hunt there, and there are no targetshooting sport events there. Also if officials they ask you "why do you want to carry a firearm", the only good answer is for selfdefense. If you say anything else, there is a good chance you don't get that license.
     
  10. Martini_Up

    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    If any of your planned defense of your family involves a firearms and you filled out a 4473 and then a BGC to secure that firearm you sure did ask for permission.
     
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  11. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    Look at this from a different perspective for a minute.

    The 2nd Amendment guarantees the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Period.

    It says nothing about keeping them for hunting, self defense, compensating for a small package or even to make yourself look cool.

    The correct answer is "because I can". When you narrow firearm ownership solely into a self defense position you lose ground. You conceded that if you are not living in a place that has a threat or a low chance of a threat then your 2nd Amendment rights no longer apply. You cannot narrowly pinpoint reasons why you own or carry. For sake of argument let's keep ownership and carrying the same.

    "Why do I carry?" -> Because I can. No extra justification needed or required.
     
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  12. Steve32

    Steve32 US Active Member

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    Since they can deny your application for a licence, the "because I can" is maybe true, but not the answer they are waiting for. I did read a lot about what is the answer you must give, and the "for selfdefense" is the one everyone suggested.

    So, technically you are right and I agree with you, however a "because I can" answer can cost the approval of that license.
     
  13. Martini_Up

    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    Why do I carry? For any and all lawful purposes!!
     
  14. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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  15. Flopsweat

    Flopsweat Slightly right of center Well-Known Member

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    Of course the anti-gun politicians are telling us that this will make the state less safe. As usual, next year when violent crime is down in West Virginia, they'll be busy pushing some other angle.
     
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    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Flopsweat Slightly right of center Well-Known Member

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  18. PaulB47

    PaulB47 Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    You've got a point there. Although it was permission to buy a gun, rather than to carry it - not that the distinction matters.

    All I can do is give Robert Heinlein's answer:
    "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

    Of course I could have avoided inconsistency by using an unpapered gun, but I have never bothered with that. To tell you the truth, the point never occurred to me until you mentioned it.
     
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  19. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Um......I do carry because I can! Even though the lady across the street said I have a small package. What do that mean?
     
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  20. nammac

    nammac I-5 Corridor - West of Portland Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    @Sgt Nambu Perhaps your "gun" is just too small :eek:
     
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