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I couldn't have said it better.Imo that community thrives under a socialist/Marxist ideology. There must always be an "oppressed class", whether that is native Americans, other race, or other "under served", "under priveleged", or another class. If there isn't one they have to make one up. There is always an "oppressor class" and always the "oppressed class". Without that the ideology falls apart.
So for example in California they are considering giving trans people $1200 per month simply because they say they are of a certain orientation. And a certain race they proposed to give each resident $1.2 million cash. There is always a "guilt" and a "need" to help the "oppressed" and to hurt the "oppressor".
Gun owners are considered part of "the oppressor" class vs homeless, lgbt, etc etc are "the oppressed" class.
I donate monthly to the Second Amendment Foundation. They have been pretty successful in filing or supporting court challenges.What is it giong to take to get people to take a stand, instead of just complaining about it?
Who is this "we" you speak of, Kemo Sabe?Makes me sick that we trusted their leadership
Make me get the permit and in exchange I want to buy guns without filling out 4473s for the duration that permit is good for. I mean, they already did the background check, so why do they need more?? Does doubling or tripling down on these checks do anything meaningful?Agreed.
However, using Costco as an example, if I have my permit, do I get to purchase five guns for the price of three, or primers for $30/brick, powder at $25/lb?
All of these requirements of "proficiency" for a natural right to self-defense. The left likes to compare to permits for driving a car (which is NOT a right). Do they even make you demonstrate proficiency behind the wheel anymore? When is the last time someone was required to parallel park to get a driver's license?Sec. 3. RCW 9.41.1132 and 2023 c 161 s 2 are each amended to read as follows:1516 (1) A person applying for ((the purchase or transfer of a 17 firearm)) a permit to purchase firearms must provide ((proof)) a 18 certificate of completion of a ((recognized)) certified firearms 19 safety training program within the last five years that, at a minimum, includes instruction on:20
(a) Basic firearms safety rules;2122
(b) Firearms and children, including secure gun storage and talking to children about gun safety;23
(c) Firearms and suicide prevention;2425
(d) Secure gun storage to prevent unauthorized access and use;
(e) Safe handling of firearms;2627 (f) State and federal firearms laws, including prohibited 28 firearms transfers and locations where firearms are prohibited;29
(g) State laws pertaining to the use of deadly force for self30 defense; ((and))31
(h) Techniques for avoiding a criminal attack and how to manage a 32 violent confrontation, including conflict resolution; and33
(i) Live-fire shooting exercises on a firing range that include a 34 demonstration by the applicant of the safe handling of, and shooting proficiency with, firearms.3536
Don't forget that by getting the permit you are stepping onto the WA gun registry (and I believe long term gun control-likely confiscation in the long term) treadmill. That doesn't mean a person is immune to their gun control efforts if you never sign up for their permit process. It only means it's easier to get to you if you are in their formal gun permit/registry process. Fe it's WA law right now that you have to get yearly background checks to keep your guns. They can't implement it yet, but it's law already. So under current law (shown below) violating any WA laws (which they can add more at any time in the future) means you are no longer eligible to own guns (guns already in your possession, not just new purchases).Make me get the permit and in exchange I want to buy guns without filling out 4473s for the duration that permit is good for. I mean, they already did the background check, so why do they need more?? Does doubling or tripling down on these checks do anything meaningful?
Oh yeah... because in reality, this is about nothing more than making gun ownership obnoxiously difficult. It really just is an F U to gun owners without doing a damn thing to stop a criminal from committing a crime.
They've definitely taken it to an all new level in WA. I'm sure the appeals are already well underway in the higher courts. Once again, they're using your state as an experiment in violating the Constitution because "It'S tHe PeOpLe'S WiLL." The Constitution was designed to protect individual rights from stupidity and tyranny.Don't forget that by getting the permit you are stepping onto the WA gun registry (and I believe long term gun control-likely confiscation in the long term) treadmill. That doesn't mean a person is immune to their gun control efforts if you never sign up for their permit process. It only means it's easier to get to you if you are in their formal gun permit/registry process. Fe it's WA law right now that you have to get yearly background checks to keep your guns. They can't implement it yet, but it's law already. So under current law (shown below) violating any WA laws (which they can add more at any time in the future) means you are no longer eligible to own guns (guns already in your possession, not just new purchases).
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Looking into the future for WA imo the table is set for gun confiscation. The gun registry/permit process gives them the basic means to do it in the future if they want to (note that future funding is also needed). Of course if the laws are challenged and scotus throws them out, then they can't implement it. But who knows who will be on SCOTUS in the future. Note this is talking long term only if things continue to progress as they have been (extremely likely IMO). All imo.
And they sold everyone on this being about those big bad scary "assault" guns and "high capacity" magazines when it really now affects EVERY gun owner by implementing this permit system. This is the making of fascism, really.Don't forget that by getting the permit you are stepping onto the WA gun registry (and I believe long term gun control-likely confiscation in the long term) treadmill. That doesn't mean a person is immune to their gun control efforts if you never sign up for their permit process. It only means it's easier to get to you if you are in their formal gun permit/registry process.
I think if this WA gun permit/registry goes unchecked then in the long term WA will be similar to England. A few people will be allowed to have guns if they go through tons of hoops such as yearly background checks (already WA law), only certain guns allowed, use only in certain places, home storage inspection, etc. Europe (England especially) show the slow incremental confiscation process that could happen here (unless scotus stops them). IMO the way to fight this effectively is kill the permit process (if possible) and donate to the groups fighting BS gun laws effectively (f.e. SAF, GOA, FPC).They've definitely taken it to an all new level in WA. I'm sure the appeals are already well underway in the higher courts. Once again, they're using your state as an experiment in violating the Constitution because "It'S tHe PeOpLe'S WiLL." The Constitution was designed to protect individual rights from stupidity and tyranny.
If things turn out favorably in higher courts, hopefully it will set a precedent that will make it far more difficult for them in the future.
Yep, they've set the table for it perfectly. Once again, the 2A was about preventing gubernment from restricting our gun rights and yet they're the ones with top-to-bottom control of this scheme, all under the guise of being the will of the people. These are the most dangerous gun bills to pass in recent history, definitely puts their tyranny up there with the likes of NY and even worse than California. In California, you can still have scary weapons you just to have to make them look a little less scary by putting a fin on the back of the grip or something.I think if this WA gun permit/registry goes unchecked then in the long term WA will be similar to England. A few people will be allowed to have guns if they go through tons of hoops such as yearly background checks (already WA law), only certain guns allowed, use only in certain places, home storage inspection, etc. Europe (England especially) show the slow incremental confiscation process that could happen here (unless scotus stops them). IMO the way to fight this effectively is kill the permit process (if possible) and donate to the groups fighting this effectively (f.e. SAF, GOA, FPC).
And this is assuming they even knew about the proposed law/bill prior to its passing -which i know for a fact many do not.YES! The part that frosts me is when those who will not even vote then scream and stamp their feet when new laws go in that effect them
More like 5% of gun owners, 10% of the "pro2A" are active, the rest more likely "I'm pro2A but..."And this is assuming they even knew about the proposed law/bill prior to its passing -which i know for a fact many do not.
Another very big part of the problem is out of all pro 2a gun owners, what percentage of them actually follow the laws, stay abreast of the issues etc? Say as such as acutely as 'we' do? IE like us active forum members? Maybe 20 % ?
Essentially, people convicted of crimes have had time added to their sentences based on their criminal history, for using a weapon, and in some cases, if they went to trial instead of taking a plea deal. Through the 1984 Sentencing Reform Act, the state also abolished the option for many prisoners to seek parole.....
....In recent years, Washington has taken steps to undo some of those policies, as leaders shift the state away from handing down longer and life sentences. But relief for people who are already in prison remains in short supply, something Smith says should change.
Delusional people can still be intelligent in the sense that they understand some things. Some people are so committed to an ideology that they ignore the reality that conflicts with it.I have friends that are liberals and they are highly intelligent people, people I can trust, and would go to the Earths ends to help me if needed. I'm torn with the idea of thinking less of them over gun rights (or other politics) but they really don't understand how their own policies they voted for hurt them. A friend once told me "when am I ever gonna need an AR15" yet since then violent crime in their city has doubled over the policies of the very people they voted for. And I cant seem to get this thru to them. I don't know what to think anymore.
I see you just joined this place. I have to "guess" you were not reading this group for a while before joining? Stick around for a while and when you see how it works in the real world it may sadden you a little. There are a few who have really put in effort to fight. A gun shop down your way put up their own money and time to try to give us a do over on 1639. Look up how it went and you will see why so many of us get so pissed off at other gun owners. Sporting Systems put up the money and time and most gun owners just ignored it. Sadly things just have not gotten bad enough to get a lot of gun owners to stop sitting on their hands no matter how hard a few have tried to get them to make a simple try. Not sure how bad it will have to get here to really wake most up. It can be slowed and even stopped and reversed but, sadly way too many just don't care. At least not yet.Think of all the people who have jobs and build their businesses and enrich their careers with all these laws. (Politicians, news media, attorneys etc., etc.) To many people producing nothing of value whether right or left.
What's the solution? What action are we taking other than venting on a forum? Don't get me wrong, I am grateful for this forum… but it would be nice if our energy could be used more effectively.
How come we never see a petition to sign for repealing these laws and the politicians that come up with them? Aren't these in direct violation of what our wise founding fathers designed?
The 2nd is for Federal prevention of restrictions. Your state Constitution is where you need to go for fighting state restrictions.the 2A was about preventing gubernment from restricting our gun rights