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I'll support OFF,As you wrote, a financial donation to whomever takes on this case. It's gonna take money, a whole lotta spending money …
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I'll support OFF,As you wrote, a financial donation to whomever takes on this case. It's gonna take money, a whole lotta spending money …
Dem legislators know they are fighting with taxpayer money. 2A advocates are fighting with their own money. We have to convince normal people that the right to have means of self protection is critical to their future.Kali has been fighting this kind of crap legislation for decades, it's been like a tennis match for them with the ball bounced court to court. The fights on here but the left is seeing weakness and will pass more legislation. Folks could have won this fight right away by voting out the dems but instead just like kali the same outcome is guaranteed unless you vote out the gun grabbers.
KEVIN AND OFF HAVE NOT HAD ENOUGH DONATIONS. COURT FIGHT COST AN ARM AND A LEG AND THE LEFT SCUM IS FED BY SOROS. YOU ALL ARE THE SUPPLY FOR OFF and KEVIN IS A FIGHTER. THERE IS NO SOROS DOING IT ON THE RIGHT.I agree.
I also believe that we need to take into account the performance of "said groups" in the last few months leading up to Tuesday. Dropping off a few signs and then asking for more money doesn't cut in a fight against "The most restrictive anti-gun rights bill in the country".
Accountability not blank checks
Unfortunatly, Keven isn't a very helpful/useful asset Now, his efforts are best used BEFORE any infringements, Not after!KEVIN AND OFF HAVE NOT HAD ENOUGH DONATIONS. COURT FIGHT COST AN ARM AND A LEG AND THE LEFT SCUM IS FED BY SOROS. YOU ALL ARE THE SUPPLY FOR OFF and KEVIN IS A FIGHTER. THERE IS NO SOROS DOING IT ON THE RIGHT.
ITS ALL OF YOU THAT MUST MAKE A CHOICE, JUST SAYIN.
How many 2A cases has Kevin won? I don't know anything about him.Unfortunatly, Keven isn't a very helpful/useful asset Now, his efforts are best used BEFORE any infringements, Not after!
Why so? Don't you think that a lawsuit or request for injunction by OFF is plausible or can be effective? I spoke with Kevin last night about the direction we're heading and there is action going on right now. Do you think OFF is not able to partner with other groups? I think it's important that disparaging remarks be backed up, especially when people are being asked to donate to multiple efforts.Unfortunatly, Keven isn't a very helpful/useful asset Now, his efforts are best used BEFORE any infringements, Not after!
Can start with helping with the research and asking sheriffs and police departments how they intend to comply with 114. I specifically started a thread to help solicit and disseminate that information.What can we do about measure 114 individually?...
At this point, Keven is nothing more then a black hole people keep donating their money to, like I Posted earlier, Keven would be more effective before things get where they are! I know lots of folks here continue to support OFF, but at this point, any monies should be donated to the orgs BEST equipped to fight the ongoing legal battles in the courts, which is now where we are at, and OFF isn't one of those! What Keven SHOULD be doing is supporting one of them, ether GOA or FPC, Those are the two biggies who are going to take this all the way to the finish line for the win!Why so? Don't you think that a lawsuit or request for injunction by OFF is plausible or can be effective? I spoke with Kevin last night about the direction we're heading and there is action going on right now. Do you think OFF is not able to partner with other groups? I think it's important that disparaging remarks be backed up, especially when people are being asked to donate to multiple efforts.
100% agree. IMO we need funds directed to whoever is going to win in court. Fwiw here is an email I sent the Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC). I just sent it yesterday so have not heard back from them yet.At this point, Keven is nothing more then a black hole people keep donating their money to, like I Posted earlier, Keven would be more effective before things get where they are! I know lots of folks here continue to support OFF, but at this point, any monies should be donated to the orgs BEST equipped to fight the ongoing legal battles in the courts, which is now where we are at, and OFF isn't one of those! What Keven SHOULD be doing is supporting one of them, ether GOA or FPC, Those are the two biggies who are going to take this all the way to the finish line for the win!
Violates equal protection, wouldn't it?Oregon and Washington Democrats are planning bills to end their State preemption in 2023. Portland wants to go full NYC with prohibited places.
Actually, right now we have a window for action provided by our 6-3 majority on the USSC. Not until very recently, with the appointment of Coney, Kavanaugh, and Gorsuch (all Constitutionalists) added added to the voices of Thomas, Scalia, Alito, and Roberts, and the rulings in Heller, McDonald, and Bruen did we stand much chance in court. Now, even with the loss of Scalia, we have a favorable legal environment for reclaiming our individual civil rights.What can we do about measure 114 individually? I believe the court case(s) to overturn this unconstitutional law is the most effective way to fight this.
We have seen in the last months that court cases are extremely effective in striking down these gun control laws, one after another. This is largely due to the Bruen decision that said the right shall not be infringed and shall be based on the gun laws that existed in 1791 (the time when the second amendment was created).
We need to push that imo and continue to build precedent that these unconstitutional gun laws will not stand! The body of precedent cases we can help create builds an inpenetrable fortress for protecting our gun rights far into the future (perhaps forever).
Perhaps this piece of sh!t legislation passing is just what we need to make us shift from the old "support the nra and they will fight it via lobbyists" (which is now ineffective Imo) to fighting these laws in court (which is now very effective post-Bruen imo). This could not have happened pre-Bruen so we have an unprecedented opportunity right now to make a difference by shifting our efforts to striking down these laws in court.
I think we need to identify the lead group who will be effective in fighting this in court and support them.