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Sounds like you already have a good option mounted.Interesting. This is for a F/A .223 Lage upper. I have a deltapoint pro on a riser I can use for the time being. I guess I am just looking for a good optic for a F/A. I think magnification could be a liability with bursts of fire.
It may be so. I am going to need another for when my number comes up on the Lage upper that takes Suomi mags. (Having a drum fed subgun is something I wanted for over 30 years.) The main upper I have for standard mags has built on very nice irons and I think it is good enough for me. And yes, I am going crazy with this as this has been a multi year goal.Sounds like you already have a good option mounted.
I wouldn't over think it. Just go with the high quality red dot that works best for your eyes, size requirements, mounting prefence. If you stick to the top brands like Aimpoint, Trijicon, Leupold, Eotech, Holosun, etc... you are going to end up with a good optic that meets your requirements.It may be so. I am going to need another for when my number comes up on the Lage upper that takes Suomi mags. The main upper I have for standard mags has built on HK style sights and I think it is likely good enough for me. And yes, I am going crazy with this as this has been a multi year goal.
I have an astigmatism in both eyes but for some reason red dots work ok for me.Have tried to like Aimpoints but my astigmatism just sees a starburst on most of their optics. The only exception is the new Acro which I really like and for some reason does not show up as a starburst but an actual dot. Nothing wrong with Aimpoint but they don't work for me except the Acro which I have a couple of and will likely add some more in the future.
Without knowing the end game in mind, IE this is a range gun, or more serious. I'd say you should be good with a whole plethora of options these days. If it's a large view you're after, the Eotech might take the cake. Besides maybe the vortex, which is heavy and the Holosun 510 which is open emitter. The EOtech has the largest clearest opening to view through. Maybe a special mention for the Crimson Trace HRO which is made for "heavy recoil" of that is a concern due to it being full auto. However, most red dots have already been tested on many full autos with little too no problems. Honestly, another leupold wouldn't hurt either.It may be so. I am going to need another for when my number comes up on the Lage upper that takes Suomi mags. (Having a drum fed subgun is something I wanted for over 30 years.) The main upper I have for standard mags has built on very nice irons and I think it is good enough for me. And yes, I am going crazy with this as this has been a multi year goal.
Assume more serious. In Oregon it will be a range toy, but where I am moving it could be more. My sten has very mild recoil, and a heavy open bolt like the lage seems like it should have less due to bolt weight and the fact that the sten needs new springs and the lage wasn't built by bicycle repairmen. No idea what to expect on .223.Without knowing the end game in mind, IE this is a range gun, or more serious. I'd say you should be good with a whole plethora of options these days. If it's a large view you're after, the Eotech might take the cake. Besides maybe the vortex, which is heavy and the Holosun 510 which is open emitter. The EOtech has the largest clearest opening to view through. Maybe a special mention for the Crimson Trace HRO which is made for "heavy recoil" of that is a concern due to it being full auto. However, most red dots have already been tested on many full autos with little too no problems. Honestly, another leupold wouldn't hurt either.
The PRO was conceived and designed as a more affordable alternative to the M4comp and Micro series.I am looking at getting one for ye olde machine gun. I was looking at the models and I can't figure out why the aimpoint pro is such a divergent price from say the H2 and T2.
^^^Not quite. As posted above the the PRO came out in 2011, while the Micro series came out in 2007...granted they were upgraded in 2014 as the T-2/H-2, but I've rocking a Micro well before the PRO was introduced.Because the H2 and T2 are micros, and new. The Aimpoint Pro (my go-to optic) has been around for some 10-15 years and still carries the same price as it has since I got my first one back in 2010
Agreed. The T2 is freaking awesome. I have a PRO on my SBR and would gladly rock a T2 if someone wants to buy it for me.The PRO was conceived and designed as a more affordable alternative to the M4comp and Micro series.
From there website:
The Aimpoint®Patrol Rifle Optic(PRO) launched in 2011, providing a solution for duty rifle reflex optics for law enforcement professionals across the U.S. Designed with input from the law enforcement community, the Aimpoint PRO features specific performance features and price point to meet the challenging conditions faced by modern agencies. The PRO™quickly became standard for law enforcement agencies across the U.S.
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^^^Not quite. As posted above the the PRO came out in 2011, while the Micro series came out in 2007...granted they were upgraded in 2014 as the T-2/H-2, but I've rocking a Micro well before the PRO was introduced.
Bottom line, the Micros have better glass, are smaller and lighter with a longer battery life. The PRO is an excellent optic but the Micro is superior in several ways, the PRO just does it with a much more affordable price tag. You really can't go wrong either way.
Here is a pretty decent comparison...
https://reddotshooters.com/aimpoint-pro-vs-t2/
With seriousness in mind, what are you thinking? Minute of plate at 100 yards with the 223 or better? Fixed to a mount or are you going to be carrying this over something else as THE gun. If it perimeter security, a large open sight and tracers mixed throughout the load out might be a better choice for sight acquisition than the sight itself. If it's something you plan on lugging around, a good quality QCB red dot should be perfect. Maybe a magnifier too so you can extend the range a bit.Assume more serious. In Oregon it will be a range toy, but where I am moving it could be more. My sten has very mild recoil, and a heavy open bolt like the lage seems like it should have less due to bolt weight and the fact that the sten needs new springs and the lage wasn't built by bicycle repairmen. No idea what to expect on .223.
It can vary from optic to optic even within the same product line. I have an RMR that, to my eyes, looks like complete sh!t, but taking a photo of it and it looks fine, others with younger eyes say it looks fine to them. And then I have another that is perfect. Anymore, I look through the specific optic I am buying before buying.Have tried to like Aimpoints but my astigmatism just sees a starburst on most of their optics. The only exception is the new Acro which I really like and for some reason does not show up as a starburst but an actual dot. Nothing wrong with Aimpoint but they don't work for me except the Acro which I have a couple of and will likely add some more in the future.
Micros have been my standard go-to optic for about a decade, have them on my primary HD AR carbine and on an AK/Utimak setup. I also much prefer taller mounts on ARs for the heads-up capability, so I'm running a the Unity FAST which is a 2.26" high mount, being up that high the smaller footprint and lighter weight make big difference to me.Agreed. The T2 is freaking awesome. I have a PRO on my SBR and would gladly rock a T2 if someone wants to buy it for me.
No Holosuns in your rotation?Micros have been my standard go-to optic for about a decade, have them on my primary HD AR carbine and on an AK/Utimak setup. I also much prefer taller mounts on ARs for the heads-up capability, so I'm running a the Unity FAST which is a 2.26" high mount, being up that high the smaller footprint and lighter weight make big difference to me.