SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

[Kruel J]

Agree....I just dont think other men grant me the right to self-defense

They granted you the means, not the idea.

And just because we don't agree on this, doesn't mean I wouldn't cover your six, brother.

 

[Kruel J]

Actually the way it's written no rights were 'given' to anyone. The constitution declares that it will 'protect' the rights it deemed were inherent to 'we the people'. So according to the constitution the rights were already ours to begin with.

Good post, but again from the mouths of mere mortals. And fountain pens.

 

[Mistman]

Good post, but again from the mouths of mere mortals. And fountain pens.

Indeed, lucky for us mere mortals had the foresight to write the words.

 

[Kruel J]

Indeed, lucky for us mere mortals had the foresight to write the words.

Agreed!

 

[MasterChief]

BACK TO THE OP!

"The incessant clamoring for gun control these past couple of days has really put a burr under my saddle. I dont understand how "shall not be infringed" is not clear? I'm tired of the emotional pleas to the uniformed general public. Is there no critical thinking, logic or truth left in society? The second amendment was put in place to protect the people against a tyrannical government. If we give an inch, they will take a mile....Ugggg! I just want the government to stay out of my life and to stop trampling my GOD GIVEN rights. Is that too much to ask?"

 

[Kruel J]

OK, so besides ranting like many of us have done in MANY threads lately since Florida, what is the topic?

 

[Kruel J]

I think discussing our "God given rights" the OP made is pretty flipping on topic.

 

[Colts4me]

Again, the men who wrote the constitution gave we, the people, the rights found within.

The deemed the rights god given so no man has the right to take them from us.

 

[Kruel J]

The deemed the rights god given so no man has the right to take them from us.

Sounds all warm and fuzzy, but it doesn't guarantee squat.

 

[Colts4me]

If we were "endowed" these rights by our "creator", why aren't they in the Bible?

Just because Jefferson said so, doesn't make it true. My point is religion has zippo to do with our right to keep and bear arms. Regardless of how the writers of the constitution felt.

I believe different, again they deemed the right as from god so no man can take it from you and that right is the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness backed up with a gun for protection from those who would try to take that right.

 

[Colts4me]

See that's the thing. I don't think it's any higher than one's "self".

When written as a law it is higher justification than just ones self, its' a right to your life and the tools you need to,defend it.

 

[Kruel J]

I believe different, again they deemed the right as from god so no man can take it from you and that right is the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness backed up with a gun for protection from those who would try to take that right.

Again, they deemed. The constitution wasn't written from the words of God. Sorry.

 

[Colts4me]

Sounds all warm and fuzzy, but it doesn't guarantee squat.

Well actually it does if you look at it, itemized rights give you lawful recourse.

 

[Colts4me]

Again, they deemed. The constitution wasn't written from the words of God. Sorry.

Men who saw themselves as someone put here by their creator.

 

[Foamcups]

Well actually it does if you look at it, itemized rights give you lawful recourse.

Gentlemen, start your engines.

 

[Colts4me]

It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone thinks about religion today, what's important is what the founders thought as they wrote the document. They honestly believed we all had the same creator and our rights are god given. While lots of folks don't see it that way they certainly did and yall should be happy about it.

When they said "shall not infringe" that infringement was considered an afront to god himself. Now days our politicians don't have that kind of religion for your rights. They take them god or no god.

 

[Foamcups]

It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone thinks about religion today, what's important is what the founders thought as they wrote the document. They honestly believed we all had the same creator and our rights are god given. While lots of folks don't see it that way they certainly did and yall should be happy about it.

When they said "shall not infringe" that infringement was considered an afront to god himself. Now days our politicians don't have that kind of religion for your rights. They take them god or no god.

Now days, there's something called "separation of church and state". And your rights haven't been taken.

 

[RicInOR]

"The Founders believed that natural rights are inherent in all people by virtue of their being human and that certain of these rights are unalienable, meaning they cannot be surrendered to government under any circumstances." From Jeffrey Rosen President and CEO, National Constitution Center.

We hear that a lot, but it is not 100% true. Many of the founders did not believe in individual rights. Many of the founders did not agree with each other. Benjamin Franklin - John Adams as just one example, John Dickinson, head of Pennsylvania's delegation to Congress, hated Franklin. Many times the founding fathers were at each others throats.

I believe we have rights granted to us by our creator. Among those are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Pretty Girls.


This is a great article on Franklin, from 1997
How Ben Franklin Invented the American Dream | Jim Powell


On Natural Rights - Cato's Letters
Cato's letters; or, Essays on liberty

Cato's Letters

 

[Gaucho Gringo]

We need people like Franklin today but there are none. A sad commentary on what we have become.

 

[atherts]

The Constitution says "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Doesn't that imply that the arms the People should bear should be military equivalent in order to be a useful and well regulated militia?