SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

[gesasky]

The incessant clamoring for gun control these past couple of days has really put a burr under my saddle. I dont understand how "shall not be infringed" is not clear? I'm tired of the emotional pleas to the uniformed general public. Is there no critical thinking, logic or truth left in society? The second amendment was put in place to protect the people against a tyrannical government. If we give an inch, they will take a mile....Ugggg! I just want the government to stay out of my life and to stop trampling my GOD GIVEN rights. Is that too much to ask?


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[Chee-to]

Critical thinking, logic or truth isn't in their vocabulary. Now wild eyed hysteria that's something they can sink their teeth into........
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[Kruel J]

The constitution wasn't written by God, it was written by men.

 

[Colts4me]

The incessant clamoring for gun control these past couple of days has really put a burr under my saddle. I dont understand how "shall not be infringed" is not clear? I'm tired of the emotional pleas to the uniformed general public. Is there no critical thinking, logic or truth left in society? The second amendment was put in place to protect the people against a tyrannical government. If we give an inch, they will take a mile....Ugggg! I just want the government to stay out of my life and to stop trampling my GOD GIVEN rights. Is that too much to ask?


Rant over.


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I believe what will help is a good understanding of the changes taking place. The NRA gave a speech today that should give you full understanding in the fight. I posted it in another thread and to me it helps define the moment.

 

[gesasky]

The premise of the Constitution is that our rights come from God, not government. If the rights are given to the people by the government, than the government can take them away.

""We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness…."

 

[Colts4me]

The constitution wasn't written by God, it was written by men.

True, no argument there. It will be changed by men too and probably by men who dont' see our rights Comming from god but from the state.

 

[bolus]

I'd like to join a well regulated militia (not the military, you dont need an amendment to arm the military). Is there one?

 

[Colts4me]

I'd like to join a well regulated militia (not the military, you dont need an amendment to arm the military). Is there one?

The national guard is the state militia, if they will take you.

 

[bolus]

The national guard is the state militia, if they will take you.

So If I joined the National Guard I could have any firearm at home without restriction and would not be infringed right? I would not need a background check and could get a machine gun right?

 

[Colts4me]

So If I joined the National Guard I could have any firearm at home without restriction and would not be infringed right? I would not need a background check and could get a machine gun right?

No actually the guns are owned by the state if I understand it right but in Oregon you may own most militia weapons and train with them if you can afford them. The state militia would do a background check before you can join and any private weapons bought from an ffl or NFA dealer gets the check too.

 

[bolus]

No actually the guns are owned by the state if I understand it right but in Oregon you may own most militia weapons and train with them if you can afford them. The state militia would do a background check before you can join and any private weapons bought from an ffl or NFA dealer gets the check too.

oh interesting (not), Shall not be Infringed does not even apply to a well regulated militia then.

 

[Colts4me]

oh interesting (not), Shall not be Infringed does not even apply to a well regulated militia then.

I am dumb, you are going to have to tell me what you mean

 

[gesasky]

Heller vs District of Columbia

 

[WWShooter]

The premise of the Constitution is that our rights come from God, not government. If the rights are given to the people by the government, than the government can take them away.

""We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness…."

The premise of the Constitution is that all power allocated and reserved under the Constitution comes from the people, not a creator:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
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The language you quoted is from the Declaration of Independence, written 11 years before the Constitution.

Just trying to keep the record straight.

 

[bolus]

I am dumb, you are going to have to tell me what you mean

Sorry. being sarcastic. The original post is about "shall not be infringed"

The primary counter argument that the anti-gun people have is "well, that only means a well regulated militia" In my sarcastic way Im saying that even if someone is in a well regulated militia (National guard) they cant take their duty rifles home with them. The US is infringing on the second amendment for even people in a well regulated militia.

"Shall not be infringed" means nothing to them. It is a clear indefensible violation of the constitution. If the government gets to violate the constitution then it is a tyranny.

 

[gesasky]

The premise of the Constitution is that all power allocated and reserved under the Constitution comes from the people, not a creator:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
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The language you quoted is from the Declaration of Independence, written 11 years before the Constitution.

Just trying to keep the record straight.

Understood and I apologize if that was misleading but was not the declaration and its writers a major building block of the Constitution? It at least provides insight to what the founders believed.

From MATTHEW CLEMENTE at FreedomWorks

"The writers of the Declaration—and subsequently the writers of the Constitution—believed that government's power comes out of its ability to protect the rights of its people. Individuals do not receive natural rights from government and thus government does not have the authority to take rights away. To the extent that it protects individual rights, government operates legitimately. However, when it fails to protect such rights or when it imposes upon them, it becomes an illegitimate ruler over what would otherwise be free people."

 

[Colts4me]

Sorry. being sarcastic. The original post is about "shall not be infringed"

The primary counter argument that the anti-gun people have is "well, that only means a well regulated militia" In my sarcastic way Im saying that even if someone is in a well regulated militia (National guard) they cant take their duty rifles home with them. The US is infringing on the second amendment for even people in a well regulated militia.

"Shall not be infringed" means nothing to them. It is a clear indefensible violation of the constitution. If the government gets to violate the constitution then it is a tyranny.

Thank you, I thought maybe I am having a brain fart because I didnt' fully understand where you were going. Sometimes you guys post and I can read right into what you mean and other times I am lost.

 

[Kruel J]

The premise of the Constitution is that all power allocated and reserved under the Constitution comes from the people, not a creator:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
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The language you quoted is from the Declaration of Independence, written 11 years before the Constitution.

Just trying to keep the record straight.

Thanks for the post. TBH I'm tired of hearing that it's a "God given right" to have a gun. That's simply not true. It's a constitutional right, nothing higher.

 

[Colts4me]

Thanks for the post. TBH I'm tired of hearing that it's a "God given right" to have a gun. That's simply not true. It's a constitutional right, nothing higher.

It was written into the constitution because the founders deemed it a god given right, things have changed since then and a lot of people think you have no god given rights.

 

[eightyeight mag]

Great little video