Martial law - It's an illusion(?)

[Andy54Hawken]

Yes. I was speaking of "accommodations" the military branches are making for more non-traditional behavior and dress. What you and the other fine folks earned as far as stripes, badges, ribbons, awards and patches was not what I was talking about. Those illustrate your service, that needs to be displayed proudly.

I'm skating around the subject, if you couldn't tell, and I have an idea you know what I'm really talking about without saying what I'm really talking about.

I can't speak for today's military....since I am no longer in the Army.


In any event.....
We do have firearm owners here at NWFA that may well be of the "more non-traditional behavior and dress" crowd...
And it would be wise to keep that in mind...as well as NWFA rules to be excellent to one another.
Andy

 

[Mono1]

US federal armed forces cannot legally be used for domestic law enforcement duties, per the Posse Comitatus Act.

There is also the Insurrection Act, which can be invoked to get around the PCA. Eisenhower, Little Rock, 1957.

Agree. But that is only if the Rule of Law is respected.

 

[Mono1]

I don't know about law enforcement agencies but l read somewhere that all branches of our military combined possess about 4.5 million firearms. The civilian population has over 400 million.

Mike Vanderboegh wrote about the ratio a number of years ago but referring to heads instead of firearms.

Using current numbers; all uniformed members of all branches are just a little under 1.5 million people.

The number of deer hunting licenses sold in 2023 amounts to 40 million. Or a 27 to 1 ratio. And the deer hunters possess vehicles and equipment of a military utility.

WHAT GOOD IS A HANDGUN AGAINST AN ARMY By Mike Venderboegh

 

[L84Cabo]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf8trl69kzo&t=0
These are gaurdsmen obeying orders and approaching and entering homes rifles shouldered. Also note the comment from the guardsmen about engaging citizens in a firefight.

This is the thing that concerns me most. And particularly in light of what we saw during the pandemic and the, "2020 Summer of Love." There is a substantial quantity of A-Holes in various uniforms that WILL absolutely follow the unconstitutional orders if they are given. Some will not, of course, and thank God for them. But I honestly don't know which group is bigger.

The uniform'd crowd, however, is probably not the most significant concern. I used to always wonder how on earth people could be convinced that it was acceptable to load their neighbors and fellow citizens into boxcars. I no longer have any questions about that, seeing how easily manipulated and indoctrinated at least half of our society has become. There is a large quantity of sheep in our society...or "useful idiots" if you prefer. And they are very lazy and very dumb...and that makes them potentially very dangerous.

And it seems that the only thing, with any degree of certainty, that we humans have learned from history, is that humans do not learn very well from history.

May God save our Republic.

WOLVERINES!

 

[po18guy]

Well yeah, a look at the FBI's "gun violence" stats by demographics shows that its the 15-35 year old male subset of the population of all races, that have disportionately high gun deaths and involvence with gun crimes, majority because of gangs, but also a large number of 18-35 men are in the military and we had been fighting over in Afghanistan from 2001 to 2021ish.

Edit. All we gotta do to make the US military turn against WH/Congress is to suggest that gangs and Cartels would use the opportunity to whack each other, loot military weapons/vehicles and infiltrate military bases to make drug deals and the like...

Korea has long had compulsory military service. That age range needs to work out their hormones in a manner befitting a good citizen.

 

[gmerkt]

There is a substantial quantity of A-Holes in various uniforms that WILL absolutely follow the unconstitutional orders if they are given.

It would mean breaking their rice bowl.

 

[TTSX]

I keep reading the title and seeing marital law. That's not an illusion, the wife makes the laws and is judge, jury, executioner

 

[OneArgus]

The reality is, that the Military could only use a small amount of its infrastructure and resources.
And they would not want to destroy by accident power supply that they use as well as water and other resources.
Martial Law on a large scale is TV not reality. My family is LEO and Military going back 100 years.
Their love of country has not changed.
I suspect the 1 or 2% bad LEO and Military eggs would simply not have the man power to do much of anything.
They may setup barriers, and checks etc. But enforcing it would be a pipe dream with no reality.

You want to fear something? Fear a Mass Ejection Solar Flare, that has twice in our recent history played havoc.
I think lastly comes down what was Martial enacted for? Really will tell the response by authorities.

 

[DunRanull]

Continued!

Let's return to our hypothetical Florence and Normandie intersection, but this time with hundreds of rioters per city block, instead of mere dozens. Among the mobs are thugs armed with pistols and perhaps even AK-47s equipped with standard iron sights, and except in rare cases, these rifles have never been "zeroed in" on a target range. In other words, past a medium distance of fifty to a hundred yards, these MUY shooters will have little idea where their fired bullets will strike—nor will they care. Typically, most of the rioters armed with a pistol, shotgun or an iron-sighted rifle could not hit a mailbox at a hundred yards unless by luck. Inside that distance, any non-MUY could be at immediate risk of brutal death at the hands of an enraged mob, but beyond that range, the mob will pose much less danger.

Taking this imbalance in effective ranges of the firearms most likely to be available to both sides, certain tactical responses are sure to arise, and ranking near the top will be the one described next.

THE SNIPER AMBUSH: THE NEW TACTIC OF CHOICE

The sniper ambush will predictably be used as a counter to rampaging mobs armed only with short- to medium-range weapons. This extremely deadly trick was developed by our war fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan, taking advantage of the significant effective range and firepower of our scoped 5.56mm rifles. Tactics such as the sniper ambush may not be seen early in the civil disorder, but they will surely arise after a steady progression of atrocities attributed to rampaging MUYs.

Street intersection flash mob riots will not be the only type of violence exploding during periods of civil disorder. As mentioned earlier, the number and ferocity of home invasions will skyrocket, and they will be very hard to defend against. Neighborhood self-defense forces will be able to protect a group of homes if they are located on cul-de-sacs or in defensible subdivisions with limited entrances, turning them overnight into fortified gated communities. Individual homes and apartment buildings located in open grid-pattern neighborhoods with outside access from many directions will be much more difficult to defend, and the home invasions will continue.

Carjacking and other forms of armed robbery will proliferate to previously unimagined levels, leading to a total loss of confidence in the government's ability to provide security across all social lines. Stray bullets striking pedestrians or penetrating houses will take a frightening toll, even in areas previously considered to be safe. The police will be exhausted by constant riot-squad duty, and will not even respond to reports of mere individual acts of violent criminality. They will simply be overwhelmed, and will be forced to triage their responses. The wealthy, powerful and politically well-connected will demand the lion's share of remaining police resources, further diminishing the safety of average Americans.

In that context, neighborhood self-defense forces will form the nucleus of the armed vigilante direct action groups which will spring up next in the progression. Suburban anger will continue to build against the MUYs, who are perceived to be the originators of the home invasions and gang-level armed looting raids. Survivors of street ambushes, carjackings and home invasions will tell blood-curdling tales and show horrific scars.

The neighborhood defense teams will evolve into proactive suburban armed vigilante groups (SAVs) out of a desire to preemptively take the violence to their perceived enemies, instead of passively waiting for the next home invasion or carjacking. The SAV teams will consist of the more aggressive and gung-ho members of the self-defense forces, who met and compared notes. Often they will be young men with recent combat experience in the armed forces, who will apply their military training to the new situation. Major intersections and highway interchanges where ambush riots have previously occurred will be among the SAV targets. The SAV reaction times will be measured in minutes, compared to the hours required by major police department SWAT teams and riot squads.

A SAMPLE SNIPER AMBUSH SCENARIO

When word is received that a flash mob is forming at one of their pre-reconnoitered intersections or highway interchanges, the SAV team will assemble. Sometimes cooperating police will pass tactical intel to their civilian friends on the outside. Some clever individuals will have exploited their technical know-how and military experience to build real-time intel collection tools, such as private UAVs. Police will have access to urban security camera footage showing MUYs moving barricade materials into position—a normal prerequisite to a flash mob riot intended to stop traffic. Tip-offs to the vigilantes will be common, and where the networks are still functioning, citizens may still be able to access some video feeds. Sometimes, police will even join the SAV teams, incognito and off-duty, blurring the teams into so-called "death squads."

The operation I will describe (and it's only one of dozens that will be tried) uses two ordinary pickup trucks and eight fighters. Two riflemen are lying prone in the back of each truck, facing rearward, with removable canvas covers concealing their presence. Their semi-automatic, scoped rifles are supported at their front ends on bipods for very accurate shooting. A row of protective sandbags a foot high is between them and the raised tailgate.

In the cab are a driver and a spotter in the passenger seat who also serves as the vehicle's 360-degree security. The two trucks don't ever appear on the same stretch of road, but coordinate their movements using one-word brevity codes over small FRS walkie-talkie radios. Each truck has a series of predetermined elevated locations where the intersection in question will lie between 200 and 500 yards away. Each truck is totally nondescript and forgettable, the only detail perhaps being the non-MUY ethnicity of the suburbanite driver and spotter driving relatively near to a riot in progress.

By the time the two SAV pickup trucks arrive at their firing positions on different streets and oriented ninety degrees to one another, the flash mob riot is in full swing. A hundred or more of the rampaging youths are posturing and throwing debris into traffic in order to intimidate some cars into stopping. The riflemen in the backs of the pickups are waiting for this moment and know what to expect, trusting their spotters and drivers to give them a good firing lane. The spotters in each truck issue a code word on their radios when they are in final position. The tailgates are swung down, and the leader among the riflemen initiates the firing. All-around security is provided by the driver and spotter.

Lying prone and using their bipods for support, the shooters have five to ten degrees of pan or traverse across the entire intersection. Individual rioters are clearly visible in the shooters' magnified optical scopes. Each of the four snipers has a plan to shoot from the outside of the mob toward the middle, driving participants into a panicked mass. The left-side shooters start on the left side and work to the middle, engaging targets with rapid fire, about one aimed shot per two seconds. Since the two trucks are set at ninety degrees to one another, very complete coverage will be obtained, even among and between the stopped vehicles.

The result is a turkey shoot. One magazine of thirty aimed shots per rifle is expended in under a minute, a coded cease-fire is called on the walkie-talkies, and the trucks drive away at the speed limit. The canvas covering the truck beds contains the shooters' spent brass. If the trucks are attacked from medium or close range, the canvas can be thrown back and the two snipers with their semi-automatic rifles or carbines will add their firepower to that of the driver and spotter.

Back at the intersection, complete panic breaks out among the rioters as a great number of bullets have landed in human flesh. Over a score have been killed outright, and many more scream in pain for medical attention they will not receive in time. The sniper ambush stops the flash mob cold in its tracks as the uninjured flee in terror, leaving their erstwhile comrades back on the ground bleeding. The commuters trapped in their vehicles may have an opportunity to escape.

This type of sniper ambush and a hundred variations on the theme will finally accomplish what the police could not: put an end to mobs of violent rioters making the cities through-streets and highways impassible killing zones. Would-be rioters will soon understand it to be suicidal to cluster in easily visible groups and engage in mob violence, as the immediate response could come at any time in the form of aimed fire from hundreds of yards away. Even one rifleman with a scoped semi-auto can break up a medium-sized riot.

Many citizens will take to carrying rifles and carbines in their vehicles, along with their pistols, so that if their cars are trapped in an ambush they will have a chance to fight their way out. If their vehicle is stopped outside the immediate area of the flash mob, they will be able to direct accurate fire at the rioters from a few hundred yards away. Inside the fatal hundred-yard radius, unlucky suburbanite drivers and passengers pulled from their cars will still be brutally violated, but the occurrences of large mob-driven street ambushes will be much less frequent once long-range retaliation becomes a frequent expectation.

THE GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO VIGILANTISM

Where they will be unable to respond swiftly or effectively to the outbreaks of street riots by MUY flash mobs, the police and federal agents will respond vigorously to the deadly but smaller vigilante attacks. These sniper ambushes and other SAV attacks will be called acts of domestic terrorism and mass murder by government officials and the mainstream media. A nearly seamless web of urban and suburban street cameras will reveal some of the SAV teams by their vehicles, facial recognition programs, and other technical means. Some early arrests will be made, but the vigilantes will adapt to increasing law enforcement pressure against them by becoming cleverer about their camouflage, most often using stolen cars and false uniforms and masks during their direct-action missions. Observe Mexico today for ideas on how this type of dirty war is fought.

Eventually, the U.S. Army itself might be called upon to put out all the social firestorms in our cities, restore order and security, pacify the angry masses, feed the starving millions, get vital infrastructure operating again, and do it all at once in a dozen American Beiruts, Sarajevos and Mogadishus.

Good luck to them, I say.

Seems a lot more "organised" than people really are. Most conservative "rightish" people want to be left alone and mostly don't engage in groups except for maybe church..... then again desperate times breed desperate folks. Defending their homes is one thing, but stealing pick-ups and appearing in the cities they left to get away from the BS? Hmmm, not so likely, seems to me anyway.

 

[jayR]

Control food / water / power and you control the people.